finlo Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Utah 01 said: but not all grannies or grandads are capable of Skyping back. Whilst a large percentage of 'olds' are tech savvy, a minority are not; I don't think that my parents would even know what Skype is. 'Skyping' your granny' sounds like something to be found on Pornhub! Edited September 10, 2020 by finlo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah 01 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, pongo said: Uh - oh. It's another anti-expert. There are experts and experts: I'm an expert at what I do; a cardiac surgeon is an expert; someone who rips around the TT course is an expert; an individual who can tell the difference between an anglo-saxon piece of pottery, and a shard of Roman vase is an expert. But groups of unaccountable 'experts' mulling over topics (like statistics) have as much idea as you or I. Put 100 economists in a room and you'll get 100 opinions; the same goes for medics who attempt to meddle and interpret statistics - there is no agreement. The problem lies in the fact that Boris is fed one line of 'expert' opinion while other 'expert' opinions never see the light of his day because they don't agree with the required, on message and policy. 'Expert opinion' - might as well read tea leaves.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 50 minutes ago, Neil Down said: Nor likely to be either. That moment passed once finance came along. Government sold their/our souls to the devil... That moment came well be the finance sector. When a family could fly to Spain for two weeks for about one quarter the cost of two weeks here, was when we failed. We had ripped tourists off for several decades with hoteliers always assuming that there was no end to those willing to pay yearly increases prices. Thank god the finance sector did land here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Banker said: Bollocks except for nasdaq , none are booming so stop telling porkies!! Google, say, the top 5 performing asset classes in 2020. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, finlo said: 'Skyping' your granny' sounds like something to be found on Pornhub! OH. Not seen that category Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southfork Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 22 minutes ago, Banker said: Yes he’s just ignorant old man who just likes to annoy everyone so best just laughing at him! No I get it now after the other night. Pongo is such a great ironic handle amongst others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, pongo said: It was the other way around for the most part. Tourism died and, thank goodness, finance then gaming then the new economy picked up some of the slack. On the plus side unemployed deck-chair attendants don't have to go to Lincolnshire to pick turnips in the winter any longer. Unfortunately, it was this kind of thinking that hurried it along. What should have happened was a full review of the tourist industry with a view to keeping it alive. What actually happened was they went full in behind the finance sector with no thought whatsoever to any kind of back up. Finance is a fickle creature and could move off island overnight. Spuds and herring anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, pongo said: Google, say, the top 5 performing asset classes in 2020. As you obviously don’t understand what markets are , here’s the list of markets you say are booming! https://countryeconomy.com/stock-exchange as even you will be able to see all markets are down In 2020 except for the tech heavy nasdaq, now in your mind they may be booming but not in most sane peoples.in case you forget this is your quote Yep. Markets around the world have been booming. Google it. Not just predominantly US markets. probably why you think local economy is doing well Edited September 10, 2020 by Banker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Banker said: As you obviously don’t understand what markets are , here’s the list of markets you say are booming! https://countryeconomy.com/stock-exchange as even you will be able to see all markets are down except for the tech heavy nasdaq, now in your mind they may be booming but not in most sane peoples. probably why you think local economy is doing well That's an incredibly narrow definition of what we mean by markets. There are lots of other markets. I will say this again: nobody is saying that the local economy is doing well. The case being made by sensible people is that it is doing much better than it would be if we were still locked down. For that we can thank the measures which have been taken. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 52 minutes ago, Neil Down said: Unfortunately, it was this kind of thinking that hurried it along. What should have happened was a full review of the tourist industry with a view to keeping it alive. What actually happened was they went full in behind the finance sector with no thought whatsoever to any kind of back up. Finance is a fickle creature and could move off island overnight. Spuds and herring anyone? Sorry ND, but pogo is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Sorry ND, but pogo is correct. No, he isn’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Just now, Neil Down said: No, he isn’t I don’t think the tourist industry could have been kept alive without massive subsidy. It was a victim of the availability of new inexpensive european holidays, with sunshine and cheap everything. The whole of Britain lost out, not just us, but we in the IOM mad3 it worse by hiking up prices so often. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, dilligaf said: I don’t think the tourist industry could have been kept alive without massive subsidy. It was a victim of the availability of new inexpensive european holidays, with sunshine and cheap everything. The whole of Britain lost out, not just us, but we in the IOM mad3 it worse by hiking up prices so often. Aye, we had cheap stuff here. It's rarely mentioned or admitted to, but a big factor for the holiday industry was the cheap booze available on the Island. Oh, and all day pubs. For many that was paradise. In the 1980s, UK started afternoon pub hours so we lost out there, and we couldn't compete with cheap sangria etc in the sun. We just have to watch the situation in UK and see if there is anything we can offer people that they don't get at home. It looks like the continent, due to Covid and Brexit, is going to be a bit of a no-no. Edited September 10, 2020 by gettafa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Banker said: So why are Jersey doing it and Guernsey planning to do following Group B countries: Test on arrival with self-isolation until first test result is known (24 – 48 hours) and then a second test on Day 7 with passive surveillance until Day 14; Passive surveillance is as for Phase 5b. Obviously IOM IS risk adverse and others are taking a more balanced view of risks on a country or regions basis. assume our stance is why Chris Thomas is asking the questions next week Because Jersey is still in partial lockdown with social distancing and masks, etc. Guernsey had better do the same if they copy Jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 4 hours ago, rachomics said: They have nicer weather than us and an economy that is more dependent on tourism. Actually, in winter when they get an easterly breeze, which is quite often, you really would rather be here! The tourism season in Jersey ends at the end of September. Most hotels close down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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