Southfork Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 8 hours ago, Neil Down said: Of which you almost definitely are not one You’re shouting into the void clown shoes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 @Neil Down @Cambon @Southfork @Nom de plume @Banker stop this tit for tat, immediate, knee jerk, disparagement of one another’s posts. It’s childish, in the extreme, puts other posters off, wrecks the thread. Repetition will result in a ban. And I mean ban, permanent, not suspension. @dilligaf don’t jump on the bandwagon. You will only get pulled in. This a public moderator warning. It’s final and not open to challenge. You may not agree. But you need to accept. last time I issued a warning like this @woolley lost the plot, challenged, was suspended, flounced and left. We should be so lucky with you lot? It was for exactly the same escalating, turn of the screw type posting between him and @P.K.. Not for any of the things he’s subsequently suggested, publicly or privately. P.K. Was warned as well. He didn’t over react with indignant faux, outrage how ever. 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Jersey rapidly approaching 100,000 tests. Case numbers remain under control. There is no second wave, there is no hysteria. They are managing a difficult situation incredibly well. The economy is recovering, businesses are stabilising, hotels are welcoming visitors, pubs & restaurants are open, families are being reunited, students & parents are travelling unhindered, sports clubs & athletes are competing in the UK, medical services, diagnosis & treatments up to speed, business travel back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Nom de plume said: Jersey rapidly approaching 100,000 tests. Case numbers remain under control. There is no second wave, there is no hysteria. They are managing a difficult situation incredibly well. The economy is recovering, businesses are stabilising, hotels are welcoming visitors, pubs & restaurants are open, families are being reunited, students & parents are travelling unhindered, sports clubs & athletes are competing in the UK, medical services, diagnosis & treatments up to speed, business travel back. IOM case numbers remain under control There is no second wave, there is no hysteria. They are managing a difficult situation very well. The economy is recovering, businesses are stabilising, hotels are welcoming visitors, pubs & restaurants are open, families are being reunited, students & parents are travelling unhindered, sports clubs & athletes are competing in the UK, medical services, diagnosis & treatments up to speed, business travel back. Bars and night clubs are open, nobody is being advised to wear face masks, there are no restrictions on gatherings, their sportsmen and women are able to play their sports fully without national governing body covid restrictions. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, piebaps said: IOM case numbers remain under control There is no second wave, there is no hysteria. They are managing a difficult situation very well. The economy is recovering, businesses are stabilising, hotels are welcoming visitors, pubs & restaurants are open, families are being reunited, students & parents are travelling unhindered, sports clubs & athletes are competing in the UK, medical services, diagnosis & treatments up to speed, business travel back. Bars and night clubs are open, nobody is being advised to wear face masks, there are no restrictions on gatherings, their sportsmen and women are able to play their sports fully without national governing body covid restrictions. Yet still a few on here want to jeopardise all of this so that they can go on holiday and not self quarantine on return... 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 And non of those Jersey lovers can give a sound reason why we should change. The best they can do is say, "That is what Jersey is doing. " 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Neil Down said: Yet still a few on here want to jeopardise all of this so that they can go on holiday and not self quarantine on return... But this isnt a long term solution there seems to be no forward planning other than wait for a vaccine which even if one does get invented covid will still be around. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Neil Down said: Yet still a few on here want to jeopardise all of this so that they can go on holiday and not self quarantine on return... For the hundredth time nobody has mentioned holidays. Sorry that it doesn’t suit your repetitive covid-fearing and scaremongering agenda but I haven’t read one poster discussing more border flexibility mention about holidays. Change the record. There are some people who live in this island who aren’t cowering in a hole in the ground waiting for the world to end in a viral Armageddon. Edited September 12, 2020 by thesultanofsheight 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Cambon said: And non of those Jersey lovers can give a sound reason why we should change. The best they can do is say, "That is what Jersey is doing. " I thought this tit for tat was supposed to stop !! we all have different views and neither is going to be persuaded by the other side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Banker said: I thought this tit for tat was supposed to stop !! we all have different views and neither is going to be persuaded by the other side It’s the name-calling that has to end, not disagreement. I’m still yet to understand how adopting a Jersey style testing based approach here will benefit our economy, given that tourism outside of bike racing is a very small sector of the economy. Perhaps it’s been explained somewhere and I missed it in all the squabbling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 57 minutes ago, wrighty said: Perhaps it’s been explained somewhere and I missed it in all the squabbling. Ha! I've asked and asked... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 22 hours ago, Banker said: Jerseys luck carries on! Only 11 active cases from 96000 tests & none in hospital. strange how the harder you work to resolve problems the luckier you get!! You're making the same mistake, as others have, of not comparing like with like. You're comparing the total number of tests (95,811), since the start of the pandemic- and which includes 1337 which are 'pending' - just with the number of current cases (11) rather than the total of confirmed cases which 380. But a more informative comparison would be to look at the number of tests since the testing on arrival regime started on 1 July (67,090), with the number from that testing which have proved positive (44)[1]. This gives an infection rate for arrivals of 1 in 1525 or 66 per 100,000, which is higher than any estimates for current prevalence in the UK and emphasises the point that people travelling are more likely to be carrying the disease than the population as a whole. Some of this will be due to those arriving having been in places with higher rates of infection (Jersey say 34% of current cases are from Red and Amber counties or areas) but some of this will because the process of travelling in itself may encourage infection and because the sort of people who travel come into contact with more people and so will have more chances to catch things. As @rachomics has pointed out, this means that some of those infected will not be yet be testing positive. [1] There are also 9 positive cases described as 'Inbound travel: "old" infections no longer active'. I'm not really sure what this means, it could be people who tested positive but said they had had Covid-19 (or at least tested for it) more than 14 days before and only tested positive again because they were still 'shedding' genetic material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: You're making the same mistake, as others have, of not comparing like with like. You're comparing the total number of tests (95,811), since the start of the pandemic- and which includes 1337 which are 'pending' - just with the number of current cases (11) rather than the total of confirmed cases which 380. But a more informative comparison would be to look at the number of tests since the testing on arrival regime started on 1 July (67,090), with the number from that testing which have proved positive (44)[1]. This gives an infection rate for arrivals of 1 in 1525 or 66 per 100,000, which is higher than any estimates for current prevalence in the UK and emphasises the point that people travelling are more likely to be carrying the disease than the population as a whole. Some of this will be due to those arriving having been in places with higher rates of infection (Jersey say 34% of current cases are from Red and Amber counties or areas) but some of this will because the process of travelling in itself may encourage infection and because the sort of people who travel come into contact with more people and so will have more chances to catch things. As @rachomics has pointed out, this means that some of those infected will not be yet be testing positive. [1] There are also 9 positive cases described as 'Inbound travel: "old" infections no longer active'. I'm not really sure what this means, it could be people who tested positive but said they had had Covid-19 (or at least tested for it) more than 14 days before and only tested positive again because they were still 'shedding' genetic material. No one uses the total cases ever for calculating the infection rate, Jersey have 11 and therefore their rate is 11 per 100000 one of the lowest in the world Edited September 12, 2020 by Banker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, wrighty said: I’m still yet to understand how adopting a Jersey style testing based approach here will benefit our economy, given that tourism outside of bike racing is a very small sector of the economy. The people who keep proposing this approach refuse to answer that question. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Banker said: No one uses the total cases ever for calculating the infection rate, Jersey have 11 and therefore their rate is 11 per 100000 one of the lowest in the world But I wasn't referring to Jersey's rate but to the average rate of those arriving and detected. You're the one who tried to compare total tests with current active cases. As it happens the very page I linked to gives a rate of 14.8 per 100,000 for Jersey itself (rather than 11), though I regard these rates based on a mixture of imported (and isolated) cases with possible community ones as a bit dubious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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