IOM Covid removing restrictions

[quilp]

1 hour ago, manxfisherman said:

Here go the police again.

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/chief-constable-lockdowns-have-fuelled-disregard-for-law/

You'll note he takes the easy route of blaming the public they are supposed to support rather than the policies they enforce

He is unfortunately correct about "utterly feckless" parents. It doesn't take a genius to work out that part of the problem is learned behaviour and what these kids have been exposed to at home. He alludes to "utterly selfish" parents producing utterly selfish children who've developed no respect for the law or common decency. Is this not also correct? This dilemma existed long before covid, though exacerbated by the lockdowns and heavy policing it's still no excuse for continued antisocial behaviour.

Never mind the problem, what's the solution? 

[Declan]

1 hour ago, manxfisherman said:

Here go the police again.

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/chief-constable-lockdowns-have-fuelled-disregard-for-law/

You'll note he takes the easy route of blaming the public they are supposed to support rather than the policies they enforce

It's interesting that he makes a big deal about young people causing trouble. But a closer look at the figures shows a large proportion of offences are a few individuals, many of whom have mental health issues.

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/violent-offences-by-juveniles-increase-by-50-per-cent/

It's hard to have faith in the state when you read stories like this ...

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/coroner-calls-for-housing-for-care-and-custody-leavers/

18 year old dies in January from a drug overdose not long after release from prison. "The inquest into his death heard Mr Ritchie was of no fixed abode at the time of his death, having spent much of his childhood in care" Here's where he was sentenced in December...

https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/courts/teen-repeat-offender-gets-20-weeks-in-jail-243726

Yet there were concerns about where he would live upon release ...

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Defence advocate Jane Gray said that Ritchie, who is 18 and was last living at Tromode House, had a difficult upbringing which had impacted his mental health.

Ms Gray said that he suffered from anxiety and depression and used a range of illegal drugs to self-medicate.

 

’He has become institutionalised,’ said the advocate.

 

Ms Gray said that there were limiting sentencing options as her client was not well enough to undertake community service and asked the court to consider the time served on remand.

She added that there were concerns about where he would live upon his release but said he had friends he could stay with."

 

Is it any wonder that Roberts says ‘strong evidence’ that organised criminal groups are taking advantage of the young and vulnerable.'

 

Edited August 20, 2022 by Declan

[manxfisherman]

15 minutes ago, quilp said:

He is unfortunately correct about "utterly feckless" parents. It doesn't take a genius to work out that part of the problem is learned behaviour and what these kids have been exposed to at home. He alludes to "utterly selfish" parents producing utterly selfish children who've developed no respect for the law or common decency. Is this not also correct? This dilemma existed long before covid, though exacerbated by the lockdowns and heavy policing it's still no excuse for continued antisocial behaviour.

Never mind the problem, what's the solution? 

If you read the Chief Constables report you may find that to all intents and purposes the majority of the youth involved in this mini-crime wave have no parents and are apparently CARED FOR by the state.

Although if you've any experience of the childrens care situation on this Island you would be hard pressed to find any evidence of actual care.

Edit - added the word 'wave'

Edited August 20, 2022 by manxfisherman

[MrGarrison]

2 minutes ago, quilp said:

Never mind the problem, what's the solution? 

To be fair Roberts himself blames the lockdowns for a lot of the problems in the Manx Radio report. Lockdowns that he policed with complete zeal. If people had contempt for the police before then they certainly had even more contempt afterwards. And to be honest if 224 young people were responsible for 675 offences then it suggests that actually without the power of emergency laws behind them his force is fairly useless if it’s the same offenders offending time and time again and they are free to do so. Personally I think Roberts should just STFU and retire as he’s a complete joke of a Chief Constable. 

 

[HeliX]

There's a lot of kids coming into secondary school basically feral after losing a year of socialisation and schooling at quite a pivotal time.

[quilp]

3 minutes ago, manxfisherman said:

If you read the Chief Constables report you may find that to all intents and purposes the majority of the youth involved in this mini-crime have no parents and are apparently CARED FOR by the state.

Yes I got that. The departments responsible for the care of these kids have suffered, and continue to suffer inadequate investment both financially and holistically by the State. It's been the same for years, nothing's changed. Too few experienced staff, minimal provision of facilities, long waiting-lists in all areas and whilst this lack of investment continues we're seeing burgeoning numbers of juvenile offenders with nowhere to go and nowhere to turn. In spite of Covid. The responsibility of governments are firstly to the health of the nation, to invest in its people, not some new expensive fucking dock, failed construction projects, blue-sky 'Green' proposals or the promotion of our Island on the world stage. And much else to go.

3 minutes ago, manxfisherman said:

Although if you've any experience of the childrens care situation on this Island you would be hard pressed to find any evidence of actual care.

I have personal experience and am aware of the experiences of others who have had to encounter the social services mine-field that is child 'care' provision on this Island, enough to know where the problems lie.

[manxfisherman]

4 minutes ago, quilp said:

 

I have personal experience and am aware of the experiences of others who have had to encounter the social services mine-field that is child 'care' provision on this Island, enough to know where the problems lie.

Some of those who have been through that system are now the 'utterly feckless' parents that you agree with blaming above.

[quilp]

1 minute ago, manxfisherman said:

Some of those who have been through that system are now the 'utterly feckless' parents that you agree with blaming above.

Yes, I'm aware of that fact. But it was happening on a lower scale when I were a lad, 50 years ago. That's why I alluded to part of the problem being down to learned behaviour, familial conditioning over years. A child is only the sum of its own experiences, of what it observes and interprets. If a child grows up witnessing ill-discipline, racism, homophobia, controlling-behaviour, drink, drugs, abuse, etc., as the norm, then little wonder associated problems will surface later on, if not throughout their life.

Hence, certain focuses of blame cannot be avoided. 

[P.K.]

The issue is how to break the downward spiral otherwise it's rinse and repeat.

[HeliX]

1 minute ago, Roxanne said:

With respect, eleven year old feral children are not made from losing a year of socialisation, or school. 

We’re now into second, third generation of parents who grew up with no, or unrealistic boundaries. Emotional neglect in childhood breeds emotional neglect in parents, unless you’re very self aware and seek help. 

Many parents don’t know a thing about boundary making and children learn from a very young age that they can easily manipulate them. Bad enough at three, four, five years of age but when they reach teenage years it creates and extremely dysfunctional dynamic where parents have little choice but to let them do what they want. 

By this time they are out of control - so - I see where the CC is coming on this. 

The change was instant - the parents of an 11 year old and a 12/13 year old are the same generation. The post-pandemic Year 7s are something else - and I don't just mean in one school or just here, I have friends who are teachers in various areas of the UK and it's the same there.

[quilp]

6 minutes ago, Manx17 said:

Not necessarily, that is a bit under minding. There are lots of children that have done very well in life whilst being witness to a lot of what you’ve said and there is a lot of children whose parents are more interested in their own  careers than their children and throw lots of money at them and leave them to their own devices. I’ve seen this first hand where the kid with the money buys the  pills for all the other kids to party.

The  allusion that it only happens to one type of person from their background has to stop.

How is it "under minding" (sic)? Who said it only happens to one type of person? Of course it's not all children born into those neglectful circumstances who go on to be problematic, fortunately it's only a small minority of recidivist's whose antisocial behavioural characteristics have been conditioned from an early age. Nor is it exclusive to the less privileged in society... 

[HeliX]

Just now, quilp said:

How is it "under minding" (sic)? Who said it only happens to one type of person? Of course it's not all children born into those neglectful circumstances who go on to be problematic, fortunately it's only a small minority of recidivist's whose antisocial behavioural characteristics have been conditioned from an early age. Nor is it exclusive to the less privileged in society... 

My parents read the Times and I turned out a commie anyway.

[Wavey Davey]

40 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

With respect, eleven year old feral children are not made from losing a year of socialisation, or school. 

Many teachers would disagree as they’re seeing it first hand. 

[HeliX]

1 minute ago, Roxanne said:

They may be seeing it as a symptom, but it’s not the cause. 

These teachers have been teaching this generation of parents' children for over a decade...

[John Wright]

Well the autumn booster campaign for Covid vaccinations is as confusing and poorly organised as the rest.

I e-mailed vaccinations on Friday for an appointment.

I got a wholly meaningless confused standard e-mail in response. It could have said “we will be sending out appointments for your priority group next week” instead it referred me to the web site.

Monday I tried to book, following the link. First it wouldn’t recognise my nhs number, then it said no appointments available. Tried again yesterday. Same.

So, this morning I phoned. Lady had a script and read, non stop. Transpires neither web site, nor she, could make an appointment until I’ve had an invite.

Given I was missed off my priority group in March 2021 and had to chase, and the mess up with my third primary dose appearing on the App I wasn’t impressed. Her only solution was to suggest I e-mail vaccinations. I’d already done that with no real success. I said I’d wait until the weekend and try again next week.

An hour later I got a phone call with an appointment on Friday. That was confirmed by e-mail shortly after. I’ve now had second appointment e-mail with different date/time.

I tried to make appointment for Paul at same time. For our first two primary doses and first boosters we were same date/time as he was in the same household as a clinically extremely vulnerable person. They aren’t doing that now. He won’t be called until November. But, he’s had a text from his GP for a flu jab on Saturday as he is in a household with a CEV.

Its not joined up!