John Wright Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 6 hours ago, hampsterkahn said: Even at this early stage, well ahead of the review, there are those ready to dismiss it as being unnecessary and a waste of time and money. There are others those who feel that an independent review is appropriate to look at the handling of the crisis, particularly in the early stages. There is no escaping the facts that people got ill and died; lives were disrupted; businesses collapsed. There is a need for an enquiry and such things are never cheap. However we should be able to expect value for money.It must be profoundly searching and it’s conclusions robust, otherwise it will indeed be a waste. A fundamental must be a total ban on the expression “lessons will be learned”. All the arguments for and against, cost etc have been had. Originally CoMin wanted no enquiry, then an internal one. Pressure within Tynwald led to a public one, with attendant cost. If it leaves us better prepared for the next one and if lessons are truly learned it will be worthwhile. I suppose it depends what it investigates. For what it’s worth this is my wish list. Travel restrictions. Was the initial travel restriction cutting off the Island brought in soon enough? Should there have been quarantine “hotels” provided by tax payer from day 1. Were the isolation testing regimes/timetables adequate, were changes and reductions justified? Hospitals & Care homes Was the discharge to care homes policy justified. Alternatives. Was the no visiting policy justified. Alternatives. Vaccination Was the inception of the vaccination programme timely and effective What led to the delay in commencement, local approval and indemnity negotiation Type, location, mobility of vaccination delivery. Including physical aspects and use of volunteers Passports Delay in Manx info being uploaded. Infection Waves Steam Packet New Year 2021 Easter 2021 What more should have been done to prevent Were lockdowns introduced fast enough/removed fast enough Testing, Tracking & Tracing The Rachel Glover situation Was Sequencing necessary, preferable or advisable in the Manx context. Was tracking & tracing effective ( or needed at all ) Legal regime Government powers - are they adequate Police and court reaction - was imprisonment justified Government Support Effectiveness Fraud Targeting Future National Plan, framework The various control or leader groups, who should be on. Stock of PPE etc and rotation Hospital and step down accommodation capacity adequacy 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 40 minutes ago, John Wright said: All the arguments for and against, cost etc have been had. Originally CoMin wanted no enquiry, then an internal one. Pressure within Tynwald led to a public one, with attendant cost. If it leaves us better prepared for the next one and if lessons are truly learned it will be worthwhile. I suppose it depends what it investigates. For what it’s worth this is my wish list. Travel restrictions. Was the initial travel restriction cutting off the Island brought in soon enough? Should there have been quarantine “hotels” provided by tax payer from day 1. Were the isolation testing regimes/timetables adequate, were changes and reductions justified? Hospitals & Care homes Was the discharge to care homes policy justified. Alternatives. Was the no visiting policy justified. Alternatives. Vaccination Was the inception of the vaccination programme timely and effective What led to the delay in commencement, local approval and indemnity negotiation Type, location, mobility of vaccination delivery. Including physical aspects and use of volunteers Passports Delay in Manx info being uploaded. Infection Waves Steam Packet New Year 2021 Easter 2021 What more should have been done to prevent Were lockdowns introduced fast enough/removed fast enough Testing, Tracking & Tracing The Rachel Glover situation Was Sequencing necessary, preferable or advisable in the Manx context. Was tracking & tracing effective ( or needed at all ) Legal regime Government powers - are they adequate Police and court reaction - was imprisonment justified Government Support Effectiveness Fraud Targeting Future National Plan, framework The various control or leader groups, who should be on. Stock of PPE etc and rotation Hospital and step down accommodation capacity adequacy Nice summary. They should work with these headings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 8 hours ago, Albert Tatlock said: You're not wrong. We're well overdue a monster virus. Zombies oh and guns, can't wait ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, asitis said: Zombies oh and guns, can't wait ! I'll get an extra tin of beans in, just in case. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 15 hours ago, Roxanne said: There is already a swathe of opinion about these practices worldwide. We don’t need a team of well fed, well paid ‘experts’ to say so. Quite so. I feel a degree of plagiarism coming on or at least a half completed template of what is already known. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 37 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Nice summary. They should work with these headings. TBF much of that is covered in the scope of the review, but whether thise specificissues are covered in actuality remains to be seen. They will also be inviting submissions so anything missed can be raised. Despite my flippant remarks above, there is much to be looked at. However, will the findings be acted upon or will it just join the multitude of other inquiries which have been disregarded? JW refers to 'the Rachel Glover situation'. They do refer to sequencing in the scope, but I am not sure if it will lift the stones on the whole carry on. In fact they do say that they will not be looking at specific complaints. On the plus side the Steam Packet issue is also mentioned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 hour ago, John Wright said: All the arguments for and against, cost etc have been had. Originally CoMin wanted no enquiry, then an internal one. Pressure within Tynwald led to a public one, with attendant cost. If it leaves us better prepared for the next one and if lessons are truly learned it will be worthwhile. I suppose it depends what it investigates. For what it’s worth this is my wish list. Travel restrictions. Was the initial travel restriction cutting off the Island brought in soon enough? Should there have been quarantine “hotels” provided by tax payer from day 1. Were the isolation testing regimes/timetables adequate, were changes and reductions justified? Hospitals & Care homes Was the discharge to care homes policy justified. Alternatives. Was the no visiting policy justified. Alternatives. Vaccination Was the inception of the vaccination programme timely and effective What led to the delay in commencement, local approval and indemnity negotiation Type, location, mobility of vaccination delivery. Including physical aspects and use of volunteers Passports Delay in Manx info being uploaded. Infection Waves Steam Packet New Year 2021 Easter 2021 What more should have been done to prevent Were lockdowns introduced fast enough/removed fast enough Testing, Tracking & Tracing The Rachel Glover situation Was Sequencing necessary, preferable or advisable in the Manx context. Was tracking & tracing effective ( or needed at all ) Legal regime Government powers - are they adequate Police and court reaction - was imprisonment justified Government Support Effectiveness Fraud Targeting Future National Plan, framework The various control or leader groups, who should be on. Stock of PPE etc and rotation Hospital and step down accommodation capacity adequacy And skirting boards... What about the skirting boards? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said: And skirting boards... What about the skirting boards? Covered in “physical aspects”! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gladys said: However, will the findings be acted upon or will it just join the multitude of other inquiries which have been disregarded? Will we finally learn the outcomes from Abbotswood enquiry? Maybe even throw in a bit about the Ranson case? Edited January 13, 2023 by Apple 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Skies are Grey V2 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 And the Steam Packet workers debacle at the start of lockdown...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 ...lets hope the report doesn't get shredded by accident... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Gladys said: TBF much of that is covered in the scope of the review, but whether thise specificissues are covered in actuality remains to be seen. They will also be inviting submissions so anything missed can be raised. Despite my flippant remarks above, there is much to be looked at. However, will the findings be acted upon or will it just join the multitude of other inquiries which have been disregarded? JW refers to 'the Rachel Glover situation'. They do refer to sequencing in the scope, but I am not sure if it will lift the stones on the whole carry on. In fact they do say that they will not be looking at specific complaints. On the plus side the Steam Packet issue is also mentioned. Oh no I can't wait to open up that discussion on the 'benefits' of being able to do on Island sequencing. We should make a deal. If you and @Roger Mexico don't bring it up. Neither will I.😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 17 hours ago, Gladys said: And come to exactly the same conclusion as everywhere else will. Hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 17 hours ago, Gladys said: And come to exactly the same conclusion as everywhere else will. TBH I think discussion on here about the whole review process should be in the sewage stinks thread. Both are going through the motions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampsterkahn Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 3 hours ago, John Wright said: All the arguments for and against, cost etc have been had. Originally CoMin wanted no enquiry, then an internal one. Pressure within Tynwald led to a public one, with attendant cost. If it leaves us better prepared for the next one and if lessons are truly learned it will be worthwhile. I suppose it depends what it investigates. For what it’s worth this is my wish list. Travel restrictions. Was the initial travel restriction cutting off the Island brought in soon enough? Should there have been quarantine “hotels” provided by tax payer from day 1. Were the isolation testing regimes/timetables adequate, were changes and reductions justified? Hospitals & Care homes Was the discharge to care homes policy justified. Alternatives. Was the no visiting policy justified. Alternatives. Vaccination Was the inception of the vaccination programme timely and effective What led to the delay in commencement, local approval and indemnity negotiation Type, location, mobility of vaccination delivery. Including physical aspects and use of volunteers Passports Delay in Manx info being uploaded. Infection Waves Steam Packet New Year 2021 Easter 2021 What more should have been done to prevent Were lockdowns introduced fast enough/removed fast enough Testing, Tracking & Tracing The Rachel Glover situation Was Sequencing necessary, preferable or advisable in the Manx context. Was tracking & tracing effective ( or needed at all ) Legal regime Government powers - are they adequate Police and court reaction - was imprisonment justified Government Support Effectiveness Fraud Targeting Future National Plan, framework The various control or leader groups, who should be on. Stock of PPE etc and rotation Hospital and step down accommodation capacity adequacy You have done a lot of the work for them ! If you have’t already done so, I suggest that you forward your list to them as it seems to be very comprehensive. There is just one another aspect that had a great bearing on the early stages of the handling of the Pandemic - and that is the performance of the CEO , K Magson and the conduct of her duties in relation to Dr Ranson and communications her minister. Can you give your view on that ? - Is this something that the enquiry can cover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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