John Wright Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 15 minutes ago, Marion Costel said: As mentioned, I took the three lists of papers from the previous poster; though I was aware of the first list. There are over one thousands papers in there; with a range of opinions. But it mainly depends when the paper was published. It used to be that in order to have a paper with evidence about serious adverse reactions published in one of the more established medical journals, there had to be, within the introduction and/or conclusion, some meaningless (as concerns the reporting of scientific results) statement supporting government policy. In recent months that silly requirement appears to have dropped and scientists have been able to express their opinions also in plain language. I have on file about thirty papers published or submitted for publications during the past three months that broadly show that the covid vaccines are neither safe nor effective; because, in particular, of the three issues mentioned in my previous posting. The list of scientists that have now started to express the concerns they always had is growing by the day and becoming impossible to ignore. The last one, Dr Paul Offit, a member of the FDA's vaccine advisory committee, has just written in the New England Journal of Medicine, the world's top medical journal, calling for the immediate end of boosters due to unacceptable risks. And don't think that Dr Aseem Malhotra's discussion of vaccine harms during a BBC appearance to talk about statins happened by accident. Mainstream media are trying to find a way out of their covid hole. Life expectancy has been reduced by two years and it is not covid; it is either lockdown or the vaccine, both actually; anyone capable of logic reasoning can see it. The last paper confirming that the mRNA shots cause recipients to make less effective antibodies to the coronavirus over time has been published one week ago by a group of German scientists and edited, guess, by a chief scientist at Pfizer; here is the link: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2022.1020844/full?s=09#B75 It is a detailed and complex paper. I give you a synopsis written by an immunologist in substack. Its conclusion appears sarcastic, but it just says what it is still too difficult to say plainly for a group of scientists working at a major institution on a work backed by Pfizer itself. The researchers found that people produce more of a type of antibodies that do not strongly attack the virus months after receiving their second mRNA jab. Antibodies attach to “antigens” - bacterial or viral invaders like Sars-Cov-2 - preventing them from entering our cells and triggering our immune systems to attack them. The mRNA vaccines make our bodies produce the coronavirus spike protein, causing our immune systems to make antibodies to the spike. But antibodies come in several different classes and subclasses. The Frontiers paper found that months after the second mRNA dose, people began to produce more of an antibody subclass called IgG4. IgG4 is usually the least common of the subtypes. It does not trigger a strong immune response after it latches to the virus. The change was particularly obvious in people who had not been infected before receiving the vaccine, the researchers found. The change also appeared to be dose-related. It occurred more strongly in people who had received the Moderna jab, which contains more than three times the mRNA as the Pfizer shot. (The fact that the other group of researchers found the change accelerated after a third shot is also evidence of a dose-response relationship.) Finally, the researchers did NOT find a similar “class switch” in people who received the AstraZeneca Covid shot, which also causes recipients to make the spike protein, but does not use mRNA to do so. Taken together, those findings suggest strongly that the immune system change to produce this weaker antibody is a protective response to an abnormality caused by the mRNAs. The long-term impact of the switch to IgG4 antibodies is still unclear. But nearly all the wealthy countries that heavily used the mRNA jabs continue to endure waves of Covid and significant numbers of deaths. The problem is worst in countries like Japan, which had few Covid cases before vaccination and thus little natural immunity. As the Frontiers in Immunology researchers wrote: Intriguingly, the mRNA vaccines, and in particular the mRNA-1273 vaccine, induced increasing long-term anti-S1 serum IgG4 levels in naïve individuals with hitherto unclear influences on the fight against the pathogen. Yep, "hitherto unclear influences.” Don’t worry, we’ll clear them up eventually. Too bad we didn’t work on that before we stuck a billion-plus people with mRNA... You could actually summarise that paper much more succinctly. “As the virus mutates and changes vaccines designed to create an antibody to a specific viral spike are less effective to a different viral spike”. It’s no surprise. It’s not new in vaccinations. It’s why flu vaccine is modified every year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 In case anyone is vaguely tempted to be taken in by some of the nonsense you could do worse than to read this (its fairly long) https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/covid-19-vaccines-and-sudden-deaths 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisnt Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 A powerful lesson… Students were learning about the Salem Witch Trials, and their teacher told them they were going to play a game. "I'm going to come around and whisper to each of you whether you're a witch or a regular person. Your goal is to build the largest group possible that does NOT have a witch in it. At the end, any group found to include a witch gets a failing grade." The students dove into grilling each other. One fairly large group formed, but most of them broke into small, exclusive groups, turning away anyone they thought gave off even a hint of guilt. "Okay," the teacher said. "You've got your groups. Time to find out which ones fail. All witches, please raise your hands." No one raised a hand. The kids were confused and told the teacher he'd messed up the game. "Did I? Was anyone in Salem an actual witch? Or did everyone just believe what they'd been told?" And that is how you teach kids how easy it is to divide a community. Shunning, scapegoating and dividing destroys far more than they protect. There's plenty of it going around.. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisnt Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisnt Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 An honest and courageous politician, at last! Wouldn’t suit Tynwald 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 We seem to have a fewer members probably friends of Courtney….what joy 🤣 not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 33 minutes ago, Thereisnt said: An honest and courageous politician, at last! U've dun sum gud research their hun x 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: U've dun sum gud research their hun x “Research” 0/10. Eny 1/2wit kno it’s spellt resurch. Molesworth. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Doomers as bad as if not worse than antivaxxers in spreading lies https://alasdairmunro.substack.com/p/covid-is-not-destroying-kids-immune?sd=pf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Seems lots not having their extra boosters including many health workers. I got mine but someone I know decided against it on basis he thought it was all over, caught it for first time & was very Ill for 4 weeks over Xmas https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/less-than-40-of-clinically-vulnerable-manx-residents-receive-covid-booster/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinderella Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 27 minutes ago, Banker said: Seems lots not having their extra boosters including many health workers. I got mine but someone I know decided against it on basis he thought it was all over, caught it for first time & was very Ill for 4 weeks over Xmas https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/less-than-40-of-clinically-vulnerable-manx-residents-receive-covid-booster/ Really concerning that low number of aged care workers have had boosters. Have we learnt nothing … 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Cinderella said: Really concerning that low number of aged care workers have had boosters. Have we learnt nothing … yes , we learned it was a waste of time for most people. Edited January 24, 2023 by WTF 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisnt Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, WTF said: yes , we learned it was a waste of time for most people. Some say significantly worse.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genericUserName Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, Thereisnt said: Some say significantly worse.. Conspiracy theorists etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisnt Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 5 hours ago, genericUserName said: Conspiracy theorists etc. You have no idea what you are talking about. Which of course makes you an ideal ‘contributor’ to this forum. Another ‘expert on everything’. Perhaps a moderators’ role might appeal? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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