Lagman Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 On the plus side, with confirmed cases again it might make some people a little more careful, people were getting very complacent. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Yeah, I had to speak to 3 people at work last week. Complacent feckers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, x-in-man said: Yeah, I had to speak to 3 people at work last week. Complacent feckers. What exactly were they being complacent about on the basis that absolutely no rules apply if any kind on a day to day basis? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 50 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said: What exactly were they being complacent about on the basis that absolutely no rules apply if any kind on a day to day basis? I suppose the complacency is not applying measures such as hand washing and coughing and sneezing into a tissue which are not rules just guidance on good hygiene. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 27 minutes ago, Gladys said: I suppose the complacency is not applying measures such as hand washing and coughing and sneezing into a tissue which are not rules just guidance on good hygiene. You mean good upbringing & education ;0) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of the blue Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 hours ago, trmpton said: “Infections rising” and “identified infections rising due to increased testing” are two very different things! With only the details reported to go on it sounds very much like we have three examples of the latter recently. People who, without the additional testing in place, would have returned to the island, isolated for 14 days and then gone about their business without ever showing as an infection or case and almost certainly after 14 days not passed it to anyone else. The same is happening in the UK. Extra testing is identifying people who didn’t even know they had it. They are then being contact traced and surprise surprise more people are found who didn’t know they had it. There are no useful statistics that can show a rise or drop in cases as the testing isn’t consistent. The only useful figures are hospital admissions and deaths and even they aren’t a true reflection of how prevalent the virus is due to the way they are recorded and advances in treatment. You make an interesting point, in normal times, with no testing, so therefore no visibility regarding positive tests, would UK authorities even notice the virus at all with minimal deaths and hospitalisation. Granted it may accelerate dramatically over the next few months, conversely it may not. Interesting, albeit frustrating times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Out of the blue said: You make an interesting point, in normal times, with no testing, so therefore no visibility regarding positive tests, would UK authorities even notice the virus at all with minimal deaths and hospitalisation. Granted it may accelerate dramatically over the next few months, conversely it may not. Interesting, albeit frustrating times. And when the flu virus kills more than Covid over winter what will reaction be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Banker said: And when the flu virus kills more than Covid over winter what will reaction be? Denial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Looks like Guernsey extending support for some businesses until new year but when next phase of restrictions easing starts they expect economy to pick up in some areas. Good to see a decent plan. https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/09/15/states-extends-help-for-firms-struggling-to-cope-with-covid/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Banker said: Looks like Guernsey extending support for some businesses until new year but when next phase of restrictions easing starts they expect economy to pick up in some areas. Good to see a decent plan. https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/09/15/states-extends-help-for-firms-struggling-to-cope-with-covid/ Interesting. Implication there that testing on arrival (stage 5C) within a three month timeframe. They must be gearing up with their infrastructure & staffing to cope. I'm sure our Government is all over this too (said nobody ever). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 44 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: You mean good upbringing & education ;0) Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 hours ago, trmpton said: The same is happening in the UK. Extra testing is identifying people who didn’t even know they had it. They are then being contact traced and surprise surprise more people are found who didn’t know they had it. The UK is not doing random testing so they are not identifying people who didn't know they had it. For once the instructions are clear. Only go for a test if you think you are showing symptoms. I'm getting sick to death of the whole "Track, Trace, Isolate" farrago. It's certainly not "world beating" by any stretch. Just more of Bozo's idiotic optimism. It's also NOT the "NHS track...." etc etc. It's nothing to do with the NHS! Bozo et al labelled it like that in an attempt to deflect public criticism from it's manifest failings. It's actually "outsourced" to Serco the Chairman of which, Sir Roy Gardner, is a tory donor. What an amazing coincidence not.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 It is highly unlikely that just more testing is causing this. The percentage of positive tests is going up too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: It is highly unlikely that just more testing is causing this. The percentage of positive tests is going up too. I think the testing is getting concentrated in higher infections areas which will cause higher rates. Same is happening in France & Spain . obviously if you tested everyone in say Dorset the rates of positive would be lower than in Lancashire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Daily “cases” in UK are down the last three days in a row, by quite a bit as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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