thesultanofsheight Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, pongo said: But Covid seems to challenge this. It's much more like Russian roulette - we just can't predict who is going to get really ill. Who would have guessed that the PM himself would have been so vulnerable? Whilst obviously a larger chap he had still seemed relatively active - riding his bike, hanging off a zipwire etc. More reality defying claims trying to support more senseless paranoia. Johnson is rumoured to have a serious drink problem, he’s overweight, and the stress of the job trying to manage the covid crisis probably had his immune system on the floor. He admitted himself he worked through it, largely ignored his diagnosis, and worked incredibly long hours against medical advice until it felled him. It’s entirely understandable in that context why he ended up where he did. Edited September 19, 2020 by thesultanofsheight 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) @teapot - another important aspect to note about Sweden is that in many areas of public policy, it is trained administrators and professionals rather than politicians who decide policy. That's a much more sensible system - putting experts in charge of the whole picture ... rather than leaving things I'm the hands of people who worry about whether what they do will be adequately populist or not. Edited September 19, 2020 by pongo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 hour ago, wrighty said: How about paying the caring professions properly so they don’t have to work double shifts in multiple establishments, and get proper sick pay so they’re not temped to go in if unwell? Angela Rayner demands real living wage for care workers Labour deputy leader asks Boris Johnson to recognise workers’ sacrifices in pandemic https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/18/angela-rayner-demands-real-living-wage-for-care-workers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said: More reality defying claims trying to support more senseless paranoia. Johnson is rumoured to have a serious drink problem, he’s overweight, and the stress of the job trying to manage the covid crisis probably had his immune system on the floor. He admitted himself he worked through it, largely ignored his diagnosis, and worked incredibly long hours against medical advice until it felled him. It’s entirely understandable in that context why he ended up where he did. Now THAT'S funny. The invisible man working his fingers to the bone.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Well worth a read: Scientists tracking the virus have uncovered a major mutation, but it may not be as scary as it sounds Scientists have had eyes on Sars-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, since the beginning of this pandemic. They can see it is evolving, but it is happening at a glacial pace compared with two other viruses with pandemic potential: those that cause flu and Aids. That is good news for efforts to develop vaccines and treatments, but scientists remain wary that anything could still happen. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/18/mutant-virus-should-we-be-worried-sars-cov-2-changing-covid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said: Johnson is rumoured to have a serious drink problem, he’s overweight, and the stress of the job trying to manage the covid crisis probably had his immune system on the floor Would you like to consider how you would draw up a list of who, like the PM, is at serious risk from Covid. I'm fairly sure you will end up with the greater majority of people. You talk about 'stress' for example. But that's a relative thing - one person may thrive on stress whilst another is floored. Also there is no sensible measure. Pre Covid I would have guessed that the PM had a pretty solid immune system. Not that we even know how that really might be a factor - some scientists have argued that it's a good immune response which kills people with Covid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, pongo said: - some scientists have argued that it's a good immune response which kills people with Covid. It’ll be both. Most frail elderly covid victims succumb because their immune system is relatively weak and they have poor physiological reserves such that the slightest insult may be too much for them. The rare youngster that dies from covid is probably a victim of his own unchecked immune response. It’s why steroids are helpful in severe cases. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 hour ago, wrighty said: Following the Guardian is not so bad. I enjoy their crosswords. I skip over the rabid anti-Boris rants though. Not so bad indeed! Probably the last independent newspaper the UK has got The Guardian telling it like it is makes for uncomfortable reading for right whingers everywhere.... But it's essential if you like to keep yourself properly informed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, P.K. said: Not so bad indeed! Probably the last independent newspaper the UK has got The Guardian telling it like it is makes for uncomfortable reading for right whingers everywhere.... But it's essential if you like to keep yourself properly informed. I read the Guardian too, but man, it's very heavily slanted and you need a tub of salt sometimes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Who said Boris had a drink problem. I think it is you Sultan that have some sort of problem your postings lately have become nothing more than a hate rant about everything and anything you are not the measured person you used to be. You have changed and not for the better. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampsterkahn Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 One of the benefits of online newspapers is that if you have the time, you can see how different newspapers report the same things differently, or don’t report things at all, or give different slants and opinions depending on the prejudices of their usual readers .Guardian / Daily Mail devotees clearly not only have different news and views but live in different worlds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 15 hours ago, thesultanofsheight said: You sound like you’ve literally lost it. Ranting and raving in a way that sounds demented. Are you still in the UK and regretting the decision to flee the IOM to rush to covid-central? Are they locking down your town this weekend while we’re all down the pub? Otherwise I’m not sure why you’d be so angry. Herd immunity is one of the few logical ways this will end or burn out. Actually, herd immunity is the only way out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monasqueen Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 50 minutes ago, P.K. said: Probably the last independent newspaper the UK has got The Guardian telling it like it is makes for uncomfortable reading for right whingers everywhere.... whingers are uncomfortable with lot of things..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, hissingsid said: Who said Boris had a drink problem. I think it is you Sultan that have some sort of problem your postings lately have become nothing more than a hate rant about everything and anything you are not the measured person you used to be. You have changed and not for the better. Instead of trolling and just being insulting maybe you should read? It’s odd that you post exactly the same insult Dilligaf leveled at me the other day too. Did you cut and paste it And what hate rants? This forum seems to now be clogged with various ranting and raving covid and general shut down the world loonies trying to spread fear and general paranoia and little else. If you don’t like the opposite view tough. Put me on block. Even Wrighty agreed with what I posted on herd immunity so just suck it up. People disagree with you. The fact remains that it has been suggested in the press several times over the years that Johnson has a serious drinking problem and frequently goes on binges. It was also suggested that he has recently fallen off the wagon and that might explain his recent disappearance and holiday off the grid. It’s another thing you must have overlooked when your entire internet activity probably consists of accessing worldometer every 10 minutes to stoke your covid hysteria. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/14/boris-johnson-drinking-lunchtime_n_5981540.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7292639/Boris-Johnson-seen-barely-able-walk-partying-Russian-billionaires-villa.html Edited September 19, 2020 by thesultanofsheight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said: trolling ... insulting ... insult ... hate rants ... ranting and raving ... loonies ... paranoia ... negative doom peddler ... covid hysteria. Bingo!! 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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