Neil Down Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, Barlow said: Students are students: Covid in Scotland: Hundreds of Dundee students told to isolate students are only responsible when it suits them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, HeliX said: I know many youngsters, and some of them are stupid. About the same proportion as adults who are stupid. As is supported by the "evidence" you've provided. Half the people named in that news story are middle aged. When I was young I was stupid as well. A lot would argue that I haven't changed that much. But to try and make out that youngsters are somehow responsible citizens is really really naive. Especially as the graphs produced by Whitty and Vallance showed that the youngsters were far and away the largest group who were contracting the virus and therefore spreading it. But I guess if you need to pick an argument any subject will do.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I had ten minutes, so here's the ages of covid breachers who were publicly reported upon: 14 15 18 20 27 30 31 32 35 42 48 48 60 64 Only two of those are University age... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 12 hours ago, thesultanofsheight said: The day that we start treating our own as basically unclean and unfit to return (if that is what some posters were suggesting) is the day the IOM has totally lost it IMHO. Wasn’t that the case back in April? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, P.K. said: When I was young I was stupid as well. A lot would argue that I haven't changed that much. But to try and make out that youngsters are somehow responsible citizens is really really naive. Especially as the graphs produced by Whitty and Vallance showed that the youngsters were far and away the largest group who were contracting the virus and therefore spreading it. But I guess if you need to pick an argument any subject will do.... The UK situation isn't really comparable to ours though (thank goodness). The Government urged people to go out and use shops. Vulnerable (i.e. older) people won't have done, so it's no surprise that the biggest catchers/spreaders were the young. Youngsters are stupid. So are non-youngsters. But in terms of breaching Covid regs, our youngsters don't seem worse than, or even as bad as our non-youngsters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, HeliX said: Youngsters are stupid. Hooray! Just as the graphs of infection show. PS - I think you'll find that the youngsters didn't contract the virus while out shopping.... FFS you're making this ever more ridiculous! Ah yes, bore them into submission.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 It is barmy to 'blame' young people when everyone was positively encouraged to go out and spend. Proportionately, it is bound to be young people who go out and socialise more than other age groups and, yes, young people can be a bit foolhardy especially when drink is involved. But, in my experience my young adult children and their friends have been observant of the restrictions. But other than educating and putting in place reasonable measures such as masks, what is the other option? Lock them away like the elderly and vulnerable? As I have said, there needs to be clear stats and explanation of those stats (ie is a case symptomatic and capable of infecting, what about the dry tinder skew, etc) and reasonable measures taken, bearing in mind that we will all die of something, sometimes before our time. On Newsnight last night it was said that CV deaths accounted for 1% of all deaths, are the restrictions on freedom, ability to earn, get medical treatment for other illnesses and the impact on mental health therefore justified? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 20 minutes ago, HeliX said: I had ten minutes, so here's the ages of covid breachers who were publicly reported upon: 14 15 18 20 27 30 31 32 35 42 48 48 60 64 Only two of those are University age... back of a fag packet stats don't count... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, P.K. said: Hooray! Just as the graphs of infection show. PS - I think you'll find that the youngsters didn't contract the virus while out shopping.... FFS you're making this ever more ridiculous! Ah yes, bore them into submission.... They were encouraged to use pubs too. And restaurants. And whatever else. I have as much confidence in our students self isolating as anyone else. If not more. That generation appears to be a fairly caring one on the whole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gladys said: It is barmy to 'blame' young people when everyone was positively encouraged to go out and spend. Proportionately, it is bound to be young people who go out and socialise more than other age groups and, yes, young people can be a bit foolhardy especially when drink is involved. But, in my experience my young adult children and their friends have been observant of the restrictions. But other than educating and putting in place reasonable measures such as masks, what is the other option? Lock them away like the elderly and vulnerable? As I have said, there needs to be clear stats and explanation of those stats (ie is a case symptomatic and capable of infecting, what about the dry tinder skew, etc) and reasonable measures taken, bearing in mind that we will all die of something, sometimes before our time. On Newsnight last night it was said that CV deaths accounted for 1% of all deaths, are the restrictions on freedom, ability to earn, get medical treatment for other illnesses and the impact on mental health therefore justified? Yes they were encouraged, they were also advised to socially distance. This was the fall down moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, Neil Down said: Yes they were encouraged, they were also advised to socially distance. This was the fall down moment Of course it was; frankly, what else was to be expected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gladys said: Of course it was; frankly, what else was to be expected? It's a difficult balancing act in the UK, and I'm glad it's nowt to do with me. Businesses took a hell of a beating here, but the one they've taken in the UK is horrendous. I don't know where the crossover point for more harm done by lockdown vs harm done by the virus is, but as I say I'm bloody glad it's not my responsibility! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, HeliX said: It's a difficult balancing act in the UK, and I'm glad it's nowt to do with me. Businesses took a hell of a beating here, but the one they've taken in the UK is horrendous. I don't know where the crossover point for more harm done by lockdown vs harm done by the virus is, but as I say I'm bloody glad it's not my responsibility! The UK could use some of the solid advise from the MF experts... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, Gladys said: Of course it was; frankly, what else was to be expected? Everybody other than the advice givers knew this was going to happen. It just confirms that people cannot be trusted to follow any advice given 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, Gladys said: On Newsnight last night it was said that CV deaths accounted for 1% of all deaths Is that 1% of all deaths this year? Or something else? I didn't watch newsnight so have no idea of context or what that means, but it seems awfully low. In the US it is apparently now the third highest cause of death this year, following heart disease and cancer, according to Sanjay Gupta on cnn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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