The Old Git Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Happier diner said: I've gotta back Banker up on this. Even though I have lived here many years I do have two daughters and a son, two step daughters, two sisters and their children. Two aunties, 1 uncle (slightly dodgy) and numerous cousins that live all over England and Wales in different parts. Not one of them has had the illness and not one of their relatives or friends have contracted it either and with only one exception, none of them know of anyone who has contracted/tested positive. I’ve less than six relatives I know of in the U.K. One of them, a recently retired GP, has had long COVID for around 150 days. Does either anecdote prove anything? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, P.K. said: As you say the concept's easy peasy. The balance between vested interests, personal freedoms, levels of risk, levels of resources, what's morally acceptable etc etc is the tricky bit! So what did you think of the "1%" statement on Newsnight? I have already said what I think - it is a worrying statistic when viewed against the measures. Mind you, the lock down was imposed when the experts said that cases would be a million and Prof John Newton advised that lock down was the only option, hence track and trace was abandoned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Gladys said: I have already said what I think - it is a worrying statistic when viewed against the measures. It's a selective statistic that is virtually meaningless, apart from to show that the UK had a real chance to get on top of things and blew it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: From antibody studies only approx 8% of the UK have had Covid19 so it's not surprising that people don't know anyone who has had it since 92% of the UK is Covid19 free. That will change with this next wave if people don't take it seriously. Unfortunately there are a lot of vested interests pushing some very dodgy agendas to stop people taking it seriously. Have a read of this well researched piece. This article is revealing. Thanks for putting it up. It should be read by all the 'experts' on here, but typically, it won't be. Has Boris read it..? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetchtyke Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) I'm not a Covid True Believer, and Whitty and Vallance cheerfully pulling figures out of their arses really pisses me off. But it's a real thing and- controversially- I think the Manx government have actually done a good job in the circumstances. The border is shut because the UK is run by morons. Edited September 23, 2020 by tetchtyke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 hours ago, pongo said: But it seems utterly daft that I am not free to grow a weed if I want to. It is an utterly daft analogy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, quilp said: This article is revealing. Thanks for putting it up. It should be read by all the 'experts' on here, but typically, it won't be. Or they might read it, decide it doesn't fit into their worldview, ignore it and carry on asking the same questions, because its all a hoax innit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, tetchtyke said: IBut it's a real thing and- controversially- I think the Manx government have actually done a good job in the circumstances. The border is shut because the UK is run by morons. I don't disagree but the border isn’t shut. It isn’t even policed effectively. There are hundreds of people coming here a week if you have your eyes open and don't believe the repeated borders closed mantra. And few of them seem to be being checked up upon at all. For anything. Don't stop believing Edited September 23, 2020 by thesultanofsheight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetchtyke Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 The border isn't entirely shut, but it is mostly shut to most people. I'm sure there are ways around it, and I'm sure some ways can't be detected, but for the most part it's doing its job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 minute ago, tetchtyke said: The border isn't entirely shut, but it is mostly shut to most people. I'm sure there are ways around it, and I'm sure some ways can't be detected, but for the most part it's doing its job. It isn’t closed. Believe that if it makes you feel “safe” but it isn’t closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Just now, TheTeapot said: Or they might read it, decide it doesn't fit into their worldview, ignore it and carry on asking the same questions, because its all a hoax innit. I have read it. I don't believe CV is a hoax, I do believe that the way information is provided follows an agenda. I also believe that the measures have the potential for great long lasting harm. To be honest, I think the agenda is as simple as goverments getting themselves on a hook that they cannot get themselves off without being accused of recklessness, or murder. Even on MR, people were saying they would consider that our government would be guilty of murder if anyone else dies after relaxation of the CV measures. Not a great platform for your election chances. I also know of people who had voluntarily put themselves into isolation during lock down, but have now taken a holiday abroad. They will self-isolate, but it does seem that there is a somewhat flexible approach to their perception of the risk to them, ie as long as it doesn't interfere with holiday plans then they will tolerate anything. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said: I don't disagree but the border isn’t shut. It isn’t even policed effectively. There are hundreds of people coming here a week if you have your eyes open and don't believe the repeated borders closed mantra. And few of them seem to be being checked up upon at all. For anything. Don't stop believing Leaving the arguments aside, that is one hell of a song. Always loved it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetchtyke Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said: Point is it is mostly closed to most people. Edited September 23, 2020 by tetchtyke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said: It isn’t closed. Believe that if it makes you feel “safe” but it isn’t closed. It’s nowhere near closed. This is where Government let themselves down with their half arsed action. The whole self isolate is a shambles but they’ll have you believe it’s working 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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