IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Banker]

7 hours ago, wrighty said:

There is a balance to be struck here. I’m not sure where it is, but it’s certainly not at either end of the debate. My son returned to uni at the weekend - I was more concerned about him driving along the M62 than for him catching covid. We need a better understanding of risk, and it needs to be more sophisticated than ‘1 death = murder by government’ vs ‘ government lockdowns kill the economy’

I agree , never seen so many trucks & speeding cars on motorway . In Liverpool centre and never seen it so quiet, John Lewis had hardly anyone in store so keeping distance not a problem. 

[tetchtyke]

8 hours ago, Neil Down said:

Do you really believe that

Yes, and I'll explain why.

To come in you need to be a Manx resident, you need to be essential to the island (health, economy, etc), you need to have a job offer or you need compassionate grounds. So you either need to be/have these things, or you need to be prepared to lie about it.

Now of the liars some will be caught and some won't. But most people will abide by the rules and take no for an answer.

As for self-isolation, any community isolation is taken on trust, it has to be. You can't check 24/7. Some people will break the trust and get away with it, some will be caught- or have neighbours tell on them- but most won't break that trust.

So yes, it is mostly closed to most people.

[thesultanofsheight]

23 minutes ago, tetchtyke said:

Yes, and I'll explain why.

To come in you need to be a Manx resident, you need to be essential to the island (health, economy, etc), you need to have a job offer or you need compassionate grounds. So you either need to be/have these things, or you need to be prepared to lie about it.

And the 3,000 Guernsey tourists .. never mind it’s nice to feel “safe” isn’t it via believing in false measures. Just wait until the students come back at Xmas. You can go into a right meltdown about that. 

[Banker]

Looks like Guernsey system has a few issues as well!!

https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/09/24/seventeen-people-mistakenly-told-they-had-covid/

[Neil Down]

2 hours ago, Banker said:

I agree , never seen so many trucks & speeding cars on motorway . In Liverpool centre and never seen it so quiet, John Lewis had hardly anyone in store so keeping distance not a problem. 

So you are not even on the Island then...

[Banker]

23 minutes ago, Neil Down said:

So you are not even on the Island then...

Not at the moment if that’s ok with you!

came on boat Tuesday to visit immediate  family not seen since March, thought we’d get over for a week before any more restrictions 

Edited September 24, 2020 by Banker

[the stinking enigma]

Nope. He's just returning after dropping his daughter tara off at Manchester metropolitan university last week.

[Banker]

Just now, the stinking enigma said:

Nope. He's just returning after dropping his daughter tara off at Manchester metropolitan university last week.

Think Mr Sutton would disagree with that!

[Out of the blue]

9 hours ago, Rhumsaa said:

isn't that the way of the world these days, every big issues eventually boils down left vs right in an extremely adversarial and polarising stand off?

I mean the one thing that could have brought everyone together is a worldwide pandemic and yet its actually just furthered the divide

Spot on, a lot of people probably do instinctively lean one way or another, but before social media and the sensationalism of 24hr rolling news, people were guided to a more moderate centre ground, if only on a pragmatic, logical level.  Latterly we quickly become aggressive and tribal which is not a healthy environment as moderation becomes drowned out by the extreme noise. Look at the division caused by Trump, Boris, Corbyn, Brexit, Covid etc. We quickly assume entrenched positions that we seemingly cannot be moved from, although not for want of trying, as both ‘sides’ will keep banging on zealously with arguments about why they are right. I suspect the majority of FB, MF and other social media posters have hardly ever been ‘persuaded’ to markedly change their views, so people keep posting, getting more frustrated and irritated and in some cases more extreme.

[tetchtyke]

1 hour ago, thesultanofsheight said:

And the 3,000 Guernsey tourists .. never mind it’s nice to feel “safe” isn’t it via believing in false measures. Just wait until the students come back at Xmas. You can go into a right meltdown about that. 

The students are already coming back, turns out that getting pissed in Outback is more appealing than being sent home at 10pm.

[Neil Down]

55 minutes ago, Banker said:

Think Mr Sutton would disagree with that!

who's Tara and who's Mr Sutton?

[Banker]

15 minutes ago, Neil Down said:

who's Tara and who's Mr Sutton?

Ask stinky

[Roger Mexico]

1 hour ago, Neil Down said:

who's Tara and who's Mr Sutton?

Keep up at the back (or whatever the online Zoom seminar equivalent is).

1 hour ago, tetchtyke said:

The students are already coming back, turns out that getting pissed in Outback is more appealing than being sent home at 10pm.

It's a good question isn't it  If all your university work is going to be online, why do you need to travel to Manchester or London to sit in a hall of residence or grubby shared flat when you could be doing the same thing from the comfort of your own bedroom?  And if you're Manx, if student social life is already massively curtailed and liable to be shut down any moment, why leave your life here for effective self-isolation in the UK?  Plus the chance of catching Covid which seems to be giving a lot of people quite bad post-viral effects such as fatigue, whatever their age or the severity of the actual infection.

The UK university model that developed over the last 30-40 years, was already looking precarious.  The reliance on ever-expanding numbers and the related building booms; ever-increasing administration while academic employment became less secure (which leads to brain drains); the assumption that young people would be willing to take on more and more debt; the reliance on foreign students to supply much of the income.  The product that they were selling has become worse and more expensive and people were wondering if they still wanted it.  Now they may realise they don't need it either.

Edited September 24, 2020 by Roger Mexico

[hissingsid]

O.M.G.   Banker has been away    wait now for the inevitable tripe that he comes up with when he is in quarantine for two weeks ....

[tetchtyke]

23 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

It's a good question isn't it  If all your university work is going to be online, why do you need to travel to Manchester or London to sit in a hall of residence or grubby shared flat when you could be doing the same thing from the comfort of your own bedroom?  And if you're Manx, if student social life is already massively curtailed and liable to be shut down any moment, why leave your life here for effective self-isolation in the UK?  Plus the chance of catching Covid which seems to be giving a lot of people quite bad post-viral effects such as fatigue, whatever their age or the severity of the actual infection.

Absolutely, and if I were a student being told all my work was online and I couldn't socialise then I'd be on the first boat back too. I've no issues at all with it, they're Manx residents and as long as we know who they are for contact tracing it's all grand.

I think the government have the right balance with the restrictions: it's not an open door.