trmpton Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, trmpton said: 1 hour ago, P.K. said: Testing on arrival is a waste of space. You may as well not bother. Personally I prefer a process designed around the realities of the situation rather than one designed to maintain a subterfuge giving a completely false sense of security. Only a moron would actually want that... Expand So. What's your suggestion for slowly getting us back to normal, stopping businesses relocating and minimising (not eliminating, that's unrealistic) Covid 19? It needs to be managed (like they are in Jersey) with a clear plan of what changes at certain trigger points. Keeping it out forever was never in the plan and now we are in an insane situation where our public are so scared that no-one is brave enough to do the sensible thing and put measures in place that introduce a small but manageable risk in order to allow life to continue properly. As an Island we are in a hugely favourable situation. We should be all over the tech available to manage any infections that arrive on island immediately and take the necessary actions while allowing a proper level of freedom for people to travel to properly risk assessed locations. Still waiting for a reply 😂 Edited October 1, 2020 by trmpton 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: You can't post live kittens, that's just silly. You can certainly post live kittens. Whether it's then possible to receive live kittens, on the other hand... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, trmpton said: Yes, its a life decision I made and it suits me perfectly. Until such time as the freedom to travel to and from the UK is removed. Yes there is a global pandemic, so as a short term solution it was acceptable. To still be locked in (because of my life choices, and being young enough that I still have to work amongst other considerations) is not acceptable. Especially with no communication to the public of what needs to happen for those restrictions to be lifted. It's useless governance. Jerseys approach is much better and I haven't heard anyone explain why we aren't doing the same or even what our plan is? 2 minutes ago, trmpton said: Still waiting for a reply 😂 By whom and to what question...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, P.K. said: By whom and to what question...? Edited. I quoted the wrong post. You, and the question you ignored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, trmpton said: Edited. I quoted the wrong post. You, and the question you ignored ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 I edited the post. Go back and read it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, trmpton said: Really? Here we go again. There aren’t and likely won’t ever be accurate figures on this. in my day to day life I visit loads of workplaces and speak to loads of people. Lots are citing the border restrictions for non residents, as well as the isolation periods imposed on returning residents, as reasons why they are losing staff, can’t attract staff from off island, and are considering downsizing or relocating. Industries that need specialist skills (who are normally well placed to locate here, and the gaming industry that has lots of people who live here but travel regularly back to the UK, South Africa, Israel etc to see family seem to be being particularly hard hit. As is health care, social services and manufacturing. No one I speak to has mentioned Brexit. Purely the lack of sensible and risk controlled freedom of movement. Plus the airport workers, the car rental firms closed, hotels, tourist guides,etc perhaps PK can say how many jobs created by keeping borders closed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: no... Worth a shot then! (BTW, not advocating posting kittens, or any live animal, just being flippant, but they are lovely.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, Gladys said: Worth a shot then! (BTW, not advocating posting kittens, or any live animal, just being flippant, but they are lovely.) The necessity of that disclaimer is a stark indictment of 2020. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 36 minutes ago, Gladys said: Are you sure? Flatpack only. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 minute ago, quilp said: Flatpack only. Sounds like the purrfect solution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, trmpton said: I edited the post. Go back and read it again Sorry. Not sure what you mean. But what I am sure about is the complete lack of evidence that other than the hospitality sector any other sector of the economy has been seriously affected by the border situation. Redundancies etc are absolutely awful having been there myself but again is it down to the borders or just the general malaise of covid and brexit? Most of those complaining about the borders seem to be doing it due to their personal circumstances. Unfortunately you can't have personal circumstances deciding policy.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, P.K. said: Sorry. Not sure what you mean. But what I am sure about is the complete lack of evidence that other than the hospitality sector any other sector of the economy has been seriously affected by the border situation. Redundancies etc are absolutely awful having been there myself but again is it down to the borders or just the general malaise of covid and brexit? Most of those complaining about the borders seem to be doing it due to their personal circumstances. Unfortunately you can't have personal circumstances deciding policy.... Nice dodge Have a lovely nicely and comfortably retired and distanced from reality evening 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 minute ago, P.K. said: Unfortunately you can't have personal circumstances deciding policy.... What? So the personal circumstances of women, ethnic minorities, the LGBTQ community, disabled, or disadvantaged people should not have influenced policy? Not to mention the personal circumstances of the many who were maimed or killed in industry due to lax regard for their health and safety? Of course, personal circumstances must influence policy, that is exactly what a government in the free world is there to do. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 33 minutes ago, Banker said: Plus the airport workers, the car rental firms closed, hotels, tourist guides,etc perhaps PK can say how many jobs created by keeping borders closed The borders are not closed, as you demonstrated last week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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