pongo Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, Max Power said: All tourism, not just motorcycle related. Therefore a lot of businesses will be affected, not just those who are directly involved but those who cater for them too. Then of course there is the ongoing employment and salaries within those companies, leading to less money in circulation in general eventually. We are really dependent on the UK economy and if that is moving slowly, ours will too. Tourism apart from the bikes is an absolutely tiny part of the IOM's income. Look up the numbers. It's almost nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, trmpton said: A little leave? Two and a bit weeks each and everytime you travel off island? How many holidays do you get! Thats my entire years leave in one trip Didn't you say you were away 100 times last year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 minute ago, pongo said: A small number of cases of genuine hardship. No doubt. But mostly here it's people selfishly whining that these temporary restrictions are stopping them doing what they want. Eg - perhaps they have to use up a little leave isolating etc. Also - the shortage of certain building materials is not being caused by measures taken on the IOM. We have gone over the "using up a bit of leave" issue. Depends if you have the spare holiday, if your employer allows more that 10 days holiday at a stretch, and if they will allow you back even if you test negative after 7 days. I am not saying that the IOM measures are causing the shortage of building materials but that things are far from rosy in the economy, even though you think everything is online so fine. It isn't, and we need to acknowledge that and to do all we can to help rather than sit back smugly and selfishly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, pongo said: Tourism apart from the bikes is an absolutely tiny part of the IOM's income. Look up the numbers. It's almost nothing. How do our hotels and guesthouses manage to survive then? All their money is made in four weeks? It's a small part of our economy because e-gaming and finance are an inordinately large part of our economy, it's not a small part to those involved in it! MNH, cafes, restaurants, food wholesalers, pubs, buses, taxis, coaches, shops, hire car companies etc etc, all benefit from tourism. Several in these categories are going under or are for sale. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gladys said: We have gone over the "using up a bit of leave" issue. Depends if you have the spare holiday, if your employer allows more that 10 days holiday at a stretch, and if they will allow you back even if you test negative after 7 days. I am not saying that the IOM measures are causing the shortage of building materials but that things are far from rosy in the economy, even though you think everything is online so fine. It isn't, and we need to acknowledge that and to do all we can to help rather than sit back smugly and selfishly. You’re wasting your time on the pitchfork brigade, they are not interested in any options other than keeping borders closed. they keep saying the economy is doing well but they think a few pubs are the economy. In a few months unemployment will be bad . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Gladys said: you think everything is online so fine. It isn't, and we need to acknowledge that and to do all we can to help rather than sit back smugly and selfishly. No I don't. That's a mis representation. I already said previously that there is also a considerable amount of local trade (doing pretty well this year, much of it, too). The bit that falls through the gap is the relatively small amount of the IOM's income which absolutely depends upon travel. That's the bit that falls through the gap. Edited October 4, 2020 by pongo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Didn't you say you were away 100 times last year? Yes, between me and the Mrs. Some were business trips (which I now can’t do) and lots of those were there and back in a day. The rest were mainly away Friday night/late afternoon and back Sunday. So no time off other than a week for TT and a week for MGP. Is that hard to understand or comprehend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, pongo said: No I don't. That's a mis representation. I already said previously that there is also a considerable amount of local trade (doing pretty well this year, much of it, too). The bit that falls through the gap is the relatively small amount of the IOM's income which absolutely depends upon travel. That's the bit that falls through the gap. As I tried to point out, there are businesses suffering which are not dependent on travel. The wider impact of covid is being felt here - lack of materials and unreliable supply chains for example - when coupled with the inability to travel without impediment will all add to a pretty dire economic future. It is not just the direct tourist industry that is being impacted, it is just about every type of business that is feeling the effects of the global impact, then when you add in the local restrictions, it really is making any business here precarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 30 minutes ago, Max Power said: How do our hotels and guesthouses manage to survive then? All their money is made in four weeks? It's a small part of our economy because e-gaming and finance are an inordinately large part of our economy, it's not a small part to those involved in it! MNH, cafes, restaurants, food wholesalers, pubs, buses, taxis, coaches, shops, hire car companies etc etc, all benefit from tourism. Several in these categories are going under or are for sale. And all those sectors survive not through tourism but on free travel. How many clients want to come and see the operation they are entrusting their wealth to? How many businesses here need to have a specialist over to deliver a new system or process and give the required training? How many off island professionals want face to face meetings here or at their offices to fully explain or understand? All those routine visitors use the " tourist" facilities. In truth, most of the facilities that are considered tourist are actually fed by business travel with tourism being the straight to bottom line extra. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 58 minutes ago, Gladys said: Not all businesses are doing 'relatively well', I know of businesses in the building trade that are not, employees are told 'no work today' and another cannot get the materials. Granny is not always capable of using Skype, I tried that with my Mum before she died for my brother who cannot travel from the UK so they could see each other before the inevitable. Sadly, it was pointless, but we gave it a go. She died within 48 hours. What I find so difficult with the likes of you and PK, is that you have no conception of the ramifications of the current situation in very many different contexts. Yes, we all want to be safe, but we also have to accept that our perception of safe can amount to terrible isolation and limitations for others. The likes of PK and Pongo are simply old age I'm alright jack trolls. It's pointless discussing with them because outside their comfy bubble they don't understand the real picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Gladys said: it is just about every type of business that is feeling the effects of the global impact, then when you add in the local restrictions, it really is making any business here precarious. We cannot do much about the global impact. But our relative lack of Covid makes much of business here less precarious than, for example, in the UK. Also - there are long term economic shifts taking place more quickly because of Covid but which were going to happen anyhow. The key surely is to find the upside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Just now, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: The likes of PK and Pongo are simply old age I'm alright jack trolls. It's pointless discussing with them because outside their comfy bubble they don't understand the real picture. I'm going to guess that I'm 1 or 2 decades younger at least than some of the people who are disagreeing with me. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 50 minutes ago, Gladys said: We have gone over the "using up a bit of leave" issue. Depends if you have the spare holiday, if your employer allows more that 10 days holiday at a stretch, and if they will allow you back even if you test negative after 7 days. I am not saying that the IOM measures are causing the shortage of building materials but that things are far from rosy in the economy, even though you think everything is online so fine. It isn't, and we need to acknowledge that and to do all we can to help rather than sit back smugly and selfishly. Literally NO ONE does smug like Pongo. PK is close, mind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, pongo said: We cannot do much about the global impact. But our relative lack of Covid makes much of business here less precarious than, for example, in the UK. Also - there are long term economic shifts taking place more quickly because of Covid but which were going to happen anyhow. The key surely is to find the upside. No, we can't do much about the global impact, but we have to figure that into our own parochial measures. It is not covid itself that is impacting, but the measures against it. I would love to understand what the long term economic shifts are other than stagnation and eventual putrifaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Down Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, trmpton said: A little leave? Two and a bit weeks each and everytime you travel off island? How many holidays do you get! Thats my entire years leave in one trip Enjoy it then 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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