HeliX Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Neil Down said: They don't have to all be idiots - only takes the one or two idiots... Sure, but it only takes one idiot to kill you with their car the next time you venture outside. It's fairly low risk though. Probably not worth worrying about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, HeliX said: Sure, but it only takes one idiot to kill you with their car the next time you venture outside. It's fairly low risk though. Probably not worth worrying about. Exactly if you’re worrying to that extent it’s hardly worth going out in case you get injured or catch something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 3 hours ago, trmpton said: Yep. That’s life. So instead we all live with stupid restrictions on our lives to prolong the life of a few people who are about to die anyway? It’s bonkers. This time next year the world will have dealt with it and us, guernsey, New Zealand etc will be cowering in our little bubbles scared to pop them. But, as we sit here quietly enjoying life without masks, social distancing, etc. We are having a slow and steady influx of active cases without community transmission. These are being highlighted by the 7 days and test, but have been there ever since the start of lockdown. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, Cambon said: But, as we sit here quietly enjoying life without masks, social distancing, etc. We are having a slow and steady influx of active cases without community transmission. These are being highlighted by the 7 days and test, but have been there ever since the start of lockdown. Exactly. There isn't a cat in hells chance that we are "Covid free in the community" and yet people have been whipped up into a frenzy and are scared to death of us losing that ridiculous and unsustainable status that I don't think government ever actually were aiming for anyway. There are undoubtedly people wandering around with no social distancing who have it, and guess what, no one is sick or in hospital. I cant give an explanation for that as opposed to March/April but its being played out through the UK as well, Everyday thousands of people who didn't even know they had it and had no symptoms are testing positive. God knows how many actually have or have had it if everyone was tested? As a population we are living in fear of something that isn't that scary to the last majority. Hopefully soon people will start to realise that and we will see tings returning to normal. It will never happen, but I would love to see how many people have died or suffered long term from COVID and nothing else, especially if you were to take care homes out of the equation. Harsh but true, how many of those people were also in the "normal" weight category? Yes there are some and that's awful, but there appear to be a lot less now than there were when hospital admissions and deaths peaked. In my opinion and I believe more people share it than are prepared to say so, the restrictions currently far far outweigh the risks for most people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Don't forget a lot of BS statistics the UK publish. Such as recording a death as being from Covid even when it isnt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: Don't forget a lot of BS statistics the UK publish. Such as recording a death as being from Covid even when it isnt. Yep. Have terminal cancer and test positive for Covid on admission to hospital - covid death Have a heart attack and test positive for Covid on admission to hospital - covid death Fall off a ladder and test positive for Covid on admission to hospital - covid death Crash a motorbike and test positive for Covid on admission to hospital - covid death 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 There’s even some locals who won’t go to large shops in case they catch virus as they’re scared after reading all scare stories. They send children to get shopping! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Don’t panic, Mr Mainwaring!!! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/new-covid-19-case-brings-total-active-to-five/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah 01 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 If you were planning on going 'over the wire' in the next few months - forget it unless you've got a wet suit. Those completion dates for the escape tunnels have just crashed again. Mr Toad is clearly slipping advanced info to the airlines. As for easyjet - don't let the barstewards back - ever! Changes to easyJet delaying Gatwick and removing Manchester flights from sale, Aer Lingus delaying until Q1 2021 and Loganair removing Edinburgh easyJet Liverpool - 18 December 2020 London Gatwick- 17 December 2020 Bristol - 29 March 2021 Belfast - 29 March 2021 Manchester - No Longer in Booking System London Luton - 28th March 2021 Aer Lingus Dublin - 21st January 2021 Loganair Edinburgh- No Longer in Booking System London City - Due to end 30th October, rumours of moving to London Heathrow 12x Weekly however not confirmed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 57 minutes ago, trmpton said: Yep. Have terminal cancer and test positive for Covid on admission to hospital - covid death Have a heart attack and test positive for Covid on admission to hospital - covid death Fall off a ladder and test positive for Covid on admission to hospital - covid death Crash a motorbike and test positive for Covid on admission to hospital - covid death Is that actually true though? I've only seen it spouted on conspiracy twat pages to be honest. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Just now, HeliX said: Is that actually true though? I've only seen it spouted on conspiracy twat pages to be honest. Yes, if you had a positive Covid test in the last 28 days for the purposes of official UK statistics technically you died of Covid regardless of what actually killed you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, thesultanofsheight said: Yes, if you had a positive Covid test in the last 28 days for the purposes of official UK statistics technically you died of Covid regardless of what actually killed you. I'm gonna have to ask for a source... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, Utah 01 said: If you were planning on going 'over the wire' in the next few months - forget it unless you've got a wet suit. Those completion dates for the escape tunnels have just crashed again. Mr Toad is clearly slipping advanced info to the airlines. As for easyjet - don't let the barstewards back - ever! Changes to easyJet delaying Gatwick and removing Manchester flights from sale, Aer Lingus delaying until Q1 2021 and Loganair removing Edinburgh easyJet Liverpool - 18 December 2020 London Gatwick- 17 December 2020 Bristol - 29 March 2021 Belfast - 29 March 2021 Manchester - No Longer in Booking System London Luton - 28th March 2021 Aer Lingus Dublin - 21st January 2021 Loganair Edinburgh- No Longer in Booking System London City - Due to end 30th October, rumours of moving to London Heathrow 12x Weekly however not confirmed This is another issue. Don’t let people come and go and airlines will simply stop serving us. Getting those routes back in the future will be beyond difficult. Come up with a sensible policy around testing prior to departure and short isolation on arrival prior to another test and you could become the go to tourist destination with clearly published rules and regulations and clearly communicated cut off points at which a step back regards borders would be taken. Airlines would be queuing up, hotels etc probably couldn’t even cope with demand. Is a small island with a fast acting and progressive government uniquely positioned to cleverly turn a negative world wide situation into a positive? Yes it is. Will we? Erm, nope. We will all sit here panicking with no clear roadmap to even moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, HeliX said: Is that actually true though? I've only seen it spouted on conspiracy twat pages to be honest. Yes it is. A positive COVID test in the 28 days prior to death and you count as a Covid death. Everyone is tested on hospital admission, so the figures are pants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, trmpton said: This is another issue. Don’t let people come and go and airlines will simply stop serving us. Getting those routes back in the future will be beyond difficult. Come up with a sensible policy around testing prior to departure and short isolation on arrival prior to another test and you could become the go to tourist destination with clearly published rules and regulations and clearly communicated cut off points at which a step back regards borders would be taken. Airlines would be queuing up, hotels etc probably couldn’t even cope with demand. Is a small island with a fast acting and progressive government uniquely positioned to cleverly turn a negative world wide situation into a positive? Yes it is. Will we? Erm, nope. We will all sit here panicking with no clear roadmap to even moving forward. On the other hand though, all it would take is a few tourists needing ICU at the same time and we'd find ourselves in an absolute PR shitstorm. To be honest, I don't think tourism is the right way to go to keep the economy alive during this pandemic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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