IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Cambon]

35 minutes ago, trmpton said:

Eh?

14 days for everyone and no option to test anymore!

I must be thick, because now the few people who had been picked up after day 8 tests and then had to do another 14, will just be wandering about after 14 instead.

So by taking away the little bit of flexibility available to people they have made things worse as far as I can see.

Where is the logic in that?

Simple. It discourages people from going across. Less people travelling that way, less coming back. 

[Dave Hedgehog]

Ah well. At least we can all feel more comfortable now these pesky positive tests will stop.

[trmpton]

2 minutes ago, Cambon said:

Simple. It discourages people from going across. Less people travelling that way, less coming back. 

Ah ok.  That will be good for the economy and retaining services through the port and the airport then.

What a load of bollocks.

[Roger Mexico]

30 minutes ago, Banker said:

There is no logic, panic has set in again driven by 4/5 positive cases out of thousands.

It's perfectly logical - it's driven by the increasing number of infections in the UK.  The increase in those testing positive (more in October already than all of September) is a symptom of that not the cause.  It's like Jersey and Guernsey effectively moving the North of England from Orange to Red.  Though whether that was the reason the move was made is another matter, it's for reason.

[Roger Mexico]

43 minutes ago, trmpton said:

I must be thick, because now the few people who had been picked up after day 8 tests and then had to do another 14, will just be wandering about after 14 instead.

But that bit never made much sense anyway.  I suspect the idea was because of infecting other people in the same household during isolation, but it was applied to people isolating on their own as well.

[Derek Flint]

Looks like they had little or no faith in that 7 day test.

This is a backward step.

[trmpton]

3 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

It's perfectly logical - it's driven by the increasing number of infections in the UK.  The increase in those testing positive (more in October already than all of September) is a symptom of that not the cause.  It's like Jersey and Guernsey effectively moving the North of England from Orange to Red.  Though whether that was the reason the move was made is another matter, it's for reason.

But those people who tested positive were largely people who had opted to take the 8 day test and were largely asymptotic.  By picking up that they are positive at 8 days they are forced to do another 14 in isolation so not in public for over 20 days.

Those same people just self isolating for 14 days will still be positive, still be asymptotic and now wandering about amongst the wider population after 14 days.  Mental

”cases” will drop short term as they will just go undetected (like loads of others are, as most people never know they have it)

[AcousticallyChallenged]

Just now, Roger Mexico said:

But that bit never made much sense anyway.  I suspect the idea was because of infecting other people in the same household during isolation, but it was applied to people isolating on their own as well.

The rules have always been 'positive test = 14 day isolation for the whole household from date of test'. Or at least, since sometime in March.

 

1 minute ago, Derek Flint said:

Looks like they had little or no faith in that 7 day test.

This is a backward step.

I think the boogeyman of a handful of cases is too much for some constituents to handle. Especially with a KEY WORKER! bringing it over. Lots of grumbling folks on social media want level 5 back.

Their lack of faith in the 7 day test was clear from the start, you were still heavily advised to stay away from people, and to keep a log of any contacts etc. in case you ended up a super spreader.

[Barlow]

Chief Minister said this afternoon that the news cases were in self-isolation. Was the chappie in prison self-isolation?

[AcousticallyChallenged]

2 minutes ago, trmpton said:

But those people who tested positive were largely people who had opted to take the 8 day test and were largely asymptotic.  By picking up that they are positive at 8 days they are forced to do another 14 in isolation so not in public for over 20 days.

Those same people just self isolating for 14 days will still be positive, still be asymptotic and now wandering about amongst the wider population after 14 days.  Mental

”cases” will drop short term as they will just go undetected (like loads of others are, as most people never know they have it)

If you look at the curve of being infectious, by the 14th day, with no symptoms either, the odds are pretty slim. There's a reasonable amount of evidence for asymptomatic people shedding much less virus, so being far less liable to spread it by the time they're out.

[Roger Mexico]

2 minutes ago, trmpton said:

Those same people just self isolating for 14 days will still be positive, still be asymptotic and now wandering about amongst the wider population after 14 days.  Mental

There's pretty good evidence that people are no longer infectious if they've been isolating for 14 days.  There's been a few scattered cases where it's claimed to be longer, but most of those have turned out to be due to cross-infection during isolation.

[Banker]

25 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

Ah well. At least we can all feel more comfortable now these pesky positive tests will stop.

That’s basically why it’s been done,no testing means no cases so Howie can say Covid free!

Now anyone coming back and feeling ill with minor symptoms after 6/7 days will probably just sit it out as won’t want another 14 days

[Apple]

15 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

There's pretty good evidence that people are no longer infectious if they've been isolating for 14 days.

Exactly. Good move to apply the 14 days to all. BUT why wait till Monday -should start immediately (unless anyone in a Government is currently off island and is only due back this weekend - we have to remember their social lives even if ours are not that important).

[Derek Flint]

However sensible it was, we purposely avoided the 7 day test on the chance we might have been asymptomatic and ended up with 21 days indoors rather than 14.

we really need to come up with a new plan for all this.  How has Jersey managed this and been able to stay ostensibly open? What are we missing?

Edited October 8, 2020 by Derek Flint

[TheTeapot]

While I've never been in a rush to push on 'forward', I've been clear that we mustn't go backwards.

This is going backwards.