IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Non-Believer]

3 hours ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

Look around you.  Jesus wept.

Data and link as requested please?

[The Dog's Dangly Bits]

2 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

What isn't true? 

• They have the second highest confirmed deaths of any country - TRUE
• Their deaths per million are higher than the UK - TRUE
• The whole of South America is having a hard time of it - OK, not all of it. But a lot of it.

It was you who claimed Brazil had low numbers, which is incorrect. 

 

They do have low numbers really.

Especially when you consider the density of the population in some places.  Im surprised it is so low.

How do you explain India and Bangladesh? Or Vietnam? 

Looks to me like it isn't anywhere near as bad as the government makes out and it would seem destroying the UK economy isn't saving lives.

[Banker]

Guernsey planning for students returning at Xmas, we’ll probably think about this start December!!

https://gov.gg/article/178999/Plans-being-developed-to-support-students-who-want-to-return-for-Christmas?fbclid=IwAR0mfg2SrFVqSAa7uX9ozB3ZGzlG7LfhQT8Z-cldTELL_03zihU34jfRaWQ

[Roger Mexico]

1 hour ago, Max Power said:

That's half of the IoM then, it's hard to hear a true Manx accent anywhere these days. 

Well that's been like that for a long time - hence my adding 'who they hadn't seen before'.  An individual or two might just be some previously-unseen resident  but an unknown group with the same accent are going to raise questions in the current circumstances - and possibly at other times because we're a nosy lot.

[thommo2010]

At a time when pubs restaurants have been closed due to the danger they decide now is the time to open up visiting to society's most vulnerable. If this wasn't happening in front of my eyes I wouldn't believe it

[thesultanofsheight]

1 hour ago, monasqueen said:

And yet, the Government is looking for an easy way out of the complex mass of restrictions they have devised; “control” the “cases” and wait for a vaccine to save the day. Unfortunately the former is a classic example of rubbish in, rubbish out, and the latter is unlikely to happen effectively, given previous attempts.

It’s time for the Government to start asking the right questions; framing things in the light of accumulating evidence, not unexamined preconceptions. On that basis, the course we should be taking is clear: asymptomatic spread is good. Advise and help the very elderly and those with serious illnesses to shield if they wish – but do not compel them, it’s their life, after all. And let everyone else get completely back to normal.

Yes - as many have said for months now. Shame that article is behind a pay wall as it might get wider readership. 

Edited October 12, 2020 by thesultanofsheight

[Roger Mexico]

27 minutes ago, Banker said:

Guernsey planning for students returning at Xmas, we’ll probably think about this start December!!

https://gov.gg/article/178999/Plans-being-developed-to-support-students-who-want-to-return-for-Christmas?fbclid=IwAR0mfg2SrFVqSAa7uX9ozB3ZGzlG7LfhQT8Z-cldTELL_03zihU34jfRaWQ

December?  January, surely.

It's actually a very sensible idea just to get in touch with all the students (including trying to find out where there are resident students who they don't know about).  There's clearly a need to support students who will be coming back but who might not be able to self-isolate effectively in the family home, but also perhaps to provide extra support for those who can't return.  And maybe also to find out if there are those returning early because of their courses going all-online.

You'd hope DESC were trying to do the same thing.  Judging by their performance this year they'l  have lots of meetings about it but not bother to contact anyone.

[thommo2010]

One of my biggest concerns is nobody in power here on the uk have said what the plan is if no vaccine ever arrives. 

[TheTeapot]

That's because they don't have one.

[Banker]

8 minutes ago, thommo2010 said:

One of my biggest concerns is nobody in power here on the uk have said what the plan is if no vaccine ever arrives. 

Eventually they will have to just open everything and tell vulnerable to shield otherwise economies will never recover.

Depends how long the money lasts and what’s acceptable in terms of deaths etc

[Barlow]

3 hours ago, Banker said:

You obviously haven’t been in a pub recently! Try Jaks on a football night & see if you can distinguish where everyone is from!

Fuck Jaks

[WTF]

3 hours ago, Banker said:

You obviously haven’t been in a pub recently! Try Jaks on a football night & see if you can distinguish where everyone is from!

and that's just the staff

[The Dog's Dangly Bits]

22 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

That's because they don't have one.

Correct.

Just watching BBC1 here.  It's quite scary just how bad the handling of it is in the UK.

I just wonder how long they think they can keep ruining the lives of people and the economy before they'll finally wake up.

The next couple of months is going to see many people snap and simply rebel.

[thesultanofsheight]

That BBC footage is scary. It’s like they’ve all been brain washed into believing what they’re doing is right when it’s obvious it isn’t. It is literally going to bankrupt the UK and kill any chance of any possible recovery or hope for millions of people. I can see troops on the streets yet as people aren’t going to take this sort of pressure and psychological abuse for much longer. They’ve all but locked down the wrong city too. Most of Liverpool isn’t going to give a flying fuck so let’s see what happens next. 

Edited October 12, 2020 by thesultanofsheight

[P.K.]

3 hours ago, monasqueen said:

Yet, the Government is looking for an easy way out of the complex mass of restrictions they have devised; “control” the “cases” and wait for a vaccine to save the day. Unfortunately the former is a classic example of rubbish in, rubbish out, and the latter is unlikely to happen effectively, given previous attempts.

It’s time for the Government to start asking the right questions; framing things in the light of accumulating evidence, not unexamined preconceptions. On that basis, the course we should be taking is clear: asymptomatic spread is good. Advise and help the very elderly and those with serious illnesses to shield if they wish – but do not compel them, it’s their life, after all. And let everyone else get completely back to normal.

It's "Garbage in. Garbage out".

Shielding the vulnerable is not a viable long-term strategy. The virus is airborne and unfortunately people need to breathe air.

Asymptomatic spread is not good. At all. The excess deaths to achieve a none achievable herd immunity would be crushing.

This:

On 10/10/2020 at 4:38 PM, P.K. said:

The Lancet 19/9/20 on developing herd immunity:

"Publics face the same problem with COVID-19 in 2020 that they faced with diphtheria in the 1920s: whether a contagious droplet infection can be controlled, without a vaccine or therapeutic, through social distancing and hygiene alone. Studies in June and July cast doubt on prospects for herd immunity: despite months of exposure, antibody surveys found a low seroprevalence, less than 10%, in cities in Spain and Switzerland. Commentators in The Lancet concluded that “In light of these findings, any proposed approach to achieve herd immunity through natural infection is not only highly unethical, but also unachievable”. 

If you ever struggle to get to sleep at night the full piece is here:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31924-3/fulltext