P.K. Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, doc.fixit said: Just an observation, the main areas that people are complaining about missing out on are the ancillary parts of life. By that I mean life style activities as opposed to the every day necessities. ie going out for meals, parties, frivolous shopping, sports, holidays and foreign travel etc. as opposed to basic shopping, home and family, home cooking, dwelling maintenance, gardening etc. Now whilst I can see the enjoyable and social aspect of the ancillary parts of life they are not necessities and surely can be put on hold for a time? Just musing. Not quite. The personal circumstances of some folks eg divorced with kids off island and can't afford the time off work + 2 weeks self isolation to go and see them. Maybe island life is not for them... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 54 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: It's odd isn't it? You would think it would sink in how much damage they are doing. But they just keep going. On the plus side this round of lock down nonsense will send enough large companies to the wall and the government will simply not be able to do any more lock downs. Ahhh you're talking about the UK... My personal opinion is that Sage, as promoted by Keir Starmer this afternoon, have got it right. However the fact is that government financial support, two thirds of your wages, is a joke. A lot in hospitality are on either zero hours or minimum wage. But hell, they don't vote tory so fuck 'em a la Margaret Thatcher.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, doc.fixit said: Just an observation, the main areas that people are complaining about missing out on are the ancillary parts of life. By that I mean life style activities as opposed to the every day necessities. ie going out for meals, parties, frivolous shopping, sports, holidays and foreign travel etc. as opposed to basic shopping, home and family, home cooking, dwelling maintenance, gardening etc. Now whilst I can see the enjoyable and social aspect of the ancillary parts of life they are not necessities and surely can be put on hold for a time? Just musing. They're necessities for the people who rely on them for income... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, P.K. said: The island demographic is 20% are aged 65 or over. And? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Banker said: And? And what? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Banker Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Guernsey getting ready for next phase maybe, now the election is over they can make more risk based decisions. https://gov.gg/article/179018/Parking-suspended-on-East-Arm-of-North-Beach-for-further-preparation-of-testing-facilities?fbclid=IwAR0mwbSQ6qElrqecXz_FlicOsHkiRDE6CXobCLF96JnNsGYTYIaA4-jGrr4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, HeliX said: Where’s that from? Got a link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, wrighty said: Where’s that from? Got a link? No BAME mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, wrighty said: Where’s that from? Got a link? https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160895v6.full.pdf+html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 43 minutes ago, P.K. said: No BAME mind. Your point? Ethnicity is mentioned in the discussion of the paper as a limitation of the study, needing further research. If you’ll pardon the pun, the BAME effect on mortality is not as black and white as you may think. In the UK ethnicity is strongly linked with socio-economic class, which in itself is linked to obesity, diabetes etc. Talking to an Indian work colleague about it today, he doubts that there is much if any independent effect. This is on the basis of death rates back home (for him), which if racially determined you’d expect to be far worse in India than the UK. They’re not. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, wrighty said: Your point? Ethnicity is mentioned in the discussion of the paper as a limitation of the study, needing further research. If you’ll pardon the pun, the BAME effect on mortality is not as black and white as you may think. In the UK ethnicity is strongly linked with socio-economic class, which in itself is linked to obesity, diabetes etc. Talking to an Indian work colleague about it today, he doubts that there is much if any independent effect. This is on the basis of death rates back home (for him), which if racially determined you’d expect to be far worse in India than the UK. They’re not. That pretty much echoes what I've read - the correlation with "class" or wealth is considerably stronger than any correlation with race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, HeliX said: That pretty much echoes what I've read - the correlation with "class" or wealth is considerably stronger than any correlation with race. In the UK I'm certain it's got a lot to do with poverty and multi-generational households as well. But the fact remains that BAME folks, even those you would call well-to-do, suffer disproportionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, P.K. said: In the UK I'm certain it's got a lot to do with poverty and multi-generational households as well. But the fact remains that BAME folks, even those you would call well-to-do, suffer disproportionally. FFS give it a rest, you obviously haven’t got a clue and question everything that hasn’t been posted by you or said by Howie. Just accept there are posters on here that know more than you and I don’t mean me!! You’re giving trolls a bad name 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, P.K. said: In the UK I'm certain it's got a lot to do with poverty and multi-generational households as well. So, you are happy with measures that proportionately affect more of those already under socio-economic stress? Edited October 13, 2020 by Gladys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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