Lxxx Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, wrighty said: I'm going to have to have a proper look at that paper, which was uploaded as a pre-print (ie not peer reviewed) back in April. Had its thesis been accepted it would have been published by now. My gut reaction is that it's probably rubbish. Having said that, I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of your post, but using that paper as evidence may not be the way to go. Fair enough. I'll defer to your medical opinion but at the end of the day my argument is essentially just an opinion and we all have different perspectives and opinions on the current situation. Some would like to hide under the bed again and others would like to regain some semblance of normality. Most are inbetween. We now need to look forwards and use a risk based approach and the unfortunate collateral damage from attempting to deal with this so far is evident for all to see. Edited October 14, 2020 by Lxxx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 24 minutes ago, Lxxx said: Hospitals never were overflowing with Covid patients and we now have data which suggests complete lockdowns do more harm than good. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20078717v1 Well a non-peer-reviewed, single-author paper from an oceanographer isn't exactly the overwhelming scientific consensus among epidemiologists I was hoping for. Especially given the criticisms on technical and other grounds made in the comments. And even Meunier doesn't say that they did 'more harm than good', just that it made no difference. To be fair it's very difficult to assess such measures as 'lockdown' because the actual measures enacted and enforcement of them varies so much between countries and even within them. One place's 'lockdown' may actually be less stringent than another's nominally non-lockdown restrictions. The FT made an effort to do some sort of assessment, but that mainly just illustrates how complex things are. But that's all the more reason not to announce that they don't make any difference based on very limited and misunderstood data. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Lxxx said: the unfortunate collateral damage from attempting to deal with this so far is evident for all to see. On the Isle of Man? We're doing ok here so far. Relatively few businesses have been significantly impacted and many have too much work. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, pongo said: On the Isle of Man? We're doing ok here so far. Relatively few businesses have been significantly impacted and many have too much work. FFS Mr Delusional strikes again. Do you actually know anyone or speak to anyone who doesn’t work for government? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, pongo said: On the Isle of Man? We're doing ok here so far. Relatively few businesses have been significantly impacted and many have too much work. We were talking in general, but yes I agree we have been fortunate and as someone who has spent a great deal of time across in the past 6 months we don't realise how good we have had it here. The general atmosphere and interactions going about your day to day life in the UK isn't pleasant and will undoubtedly get worse. I hope we can maintain our current situation on the island. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lxxx said: We were talking in general, but yes I agree we have been fortunate and as someone who has spent a great deal of time across in the past 6 months we don't realise how good we have had it here. The general atmosphere and interactions going about your day to day life in the UK isn't pleasant and will undoubtedly get worse. I hope we can maintain our current situation on the island. I agree with you. It's good that you are posting again 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Also @Lxxx. If I were you I'd be telling me to check how well gold has done this year. And thumbing my nose at me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Wish I'd taken your advice on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 At least Howie won’t be able to push through things without scrutiny! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/government-must-get-future-pandemic-law-right-says-former-minister/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Banker said: At least Howie won’t be able to push through things without scrutiny! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/government-must-get-future-pandemic-law-right-says-former-minister/ It's quite an interesting interview with Chris Thomas isn't it? It makes you wonder if he was effectively sacked by the civil servants because he wanted to sort out the legislative framework for the various post-emergency measures properly. The civil servants of course wanted to do their usual trick of leaving everything till last minutes and then rushing whatever suited them through without opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 47 minutes ago, pongo said: Also @Lxxx. If I were you I'd be telling me to check how well gold has done this year. And thumbing my nose at me I have got my 20 Mancoins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, Major Rushen said: I have got my 20 Mancoins! And they have all your private data Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lxxx Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, pongo said: Also @Lxxx. If I were you I'd be telling me to check how well gold has done this year. And thumbing my nose at me Bitcoin is where it's at my friend.😀 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: It's quite an interesting interview with Chris Thomas isn't it? It makes you wonder if he was effectively sacked by the civil servants because he wanted to sort out the legislative framework for the various post-emergency measures properly. The civil servants of course wanted to do their usual trick of leaving everything till last minutes and then rushing whatever suited them through without opposition. He was "effectively " sacked by Howard Quayle. We know why. Nothing to do with civil servants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 On 10/11/2020 at 5:09 PM, Boo Gay'n said: Explain the science of "a slow and controlled spread of Covid amongst Islanders whilst keeping it out of community spread". That would be a mystery! It's simple. We all get allocated a time and place to report to (the Sefton, Stakis, Premier Inn, a B'n'B, Jurby depending on what we can afford). We then get issued with army survival packs and are infected with Covid. We then get locked in a room. Each morning we slide a saliva stick under the door - this is tested. Once we've successfully returned a positive test followed a suitable time later by a negative one we are released. Obviously, the vulnerable - the elderly, the sick, senior civil servants would be exempt, from this national service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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