trmpton Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, pongo said: Self isolation should mean the whole household. Rubbish The next step should be proportionate to the risk. Plenty of people share a bed with “cases” and never become a “case” themselves. We can’t just all take half the year off work and have kids missing school for two weeks because Mum had to do a day trip to the UK, that’s madness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Why the fuck would someone pay for a private test when all you do is ring 111 with any symptoms and you get a test that day for free? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Just now, trmpton said: Rubbish The next step should be proportionate to the risk. Plenty of people share a bed with “cases” and never become a “case” themselves. We can’t just all take half the year off work and have kids missing school for two weeks because Mum had to do a day trip to the UK, that’s madness. Well, let's look at it in the following light: In the run-up to lockdown, and during repatriation, it was drilled in not to take the piss. Most people returning were very glad to be, sticking to the rules as a result. Borders re-opened in August for travel back and forth, when prevalence in the UK was low. Prevalence remained reasonably low, so the odds of Jimmy coming over and jumping in bed with wifey with the virus remained reasonably low. Realistically, most people didn't jump into bed with their beloved, because of the isolation. Whilst there have been rumors and stories and the odd breach, it has all been at the time of relatively low prevalence in the UK. It's only with it rising again recently where we've started getting positive hits. At which point, people are again probably not jumping straight into bed, just in case. Now prevalence is coming up, the risk is increasing. Though we don't know how much eithout testing, which is another issue, Howie doesn't like numbers going up, we have to assume that risk is increasing somewhat in proportion to how the virus is spreading in the UK. Given the Manx government's hyper-cautious approach, it's not unreasonable to expect them to add something like that restriction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Some companies test their staff just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Banker said: Why the fuck would someone pay for a private test when all you do is ring 111 with any symptoms and you get a test that day for free? You need them to travel to quite a number of places. If it was somewhere like Zurich, they might well offer testing too. They did free antibody testing for staff a few months ago. It was in the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) Guernsey cracking on with phase 5c so testing on arrival and reduced quarantine, bring that in here and a few on here will be having fits!! https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/10/15/revised-phase-5c-plans-revealed/ wonder if Howie will have a plan today 😂 Edited October 15, 2020 by Banker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, Banker said: Guernsey cracking on with phase 5c so testing on arrival and reduced quarantine, bring that in here and a few on here will be having fits!! https://guernseypress.com/news/2020/10/15/revised-phase-5c-plans-revealed/ wonder if Howie will have a plan today 😂 A plan with actual numbers & dates! Wow ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, thesultanofsheight said: Yes that’s what I was referring to. It’s entirely possible to get tested if you want to. Just because government won’t let you doesn’t mean you can’t. At £160 it’s steep but it’s entirely possible and feasible. There are some countries that won't allow you in unless you have a certificate hence these private tests and why people may wish to get one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadAsHell Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 25 minutes ago, Banker said: Why the fuck would someone pay for a private test when all you do is ring 111 with any symptoms and you get a test that day for free? The answer is in your question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Nom de plume said: A plan with actual numbers & dates! Wow ... Yes ! Howie will be sweating in case someone asks him how his mates in Guernsey can come up with a feasible plan and he can’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 28 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: Well, let's look at it in the following light: In the run-up to lockdown, and during repatriation, it was drilled in not to take the piss. Most people returning were very glad to be, sticking to the rules as a result. Borders re-opened in August for travel back and forth, when prevalence in the UK was low. Prevalence remained reasonably low, so the odds of Jimmy coming over and jumping in bed with wifey with the virus remained reasonably low. Realistically, most people didn't jump into bed with their beloved, because of the isolation. Whilst there have been rumors and stories and the odd breach, it has all been at the time of relatively low prevalence in the UK. It's only with it rising again recently where we've started getting positive hits. At which point, people are again probably not jumping straight into bed, just in case. Now prevalence is coming up, the risk is increasing. Though we don't know how much eithout testing, which is another issue, Howie doesn't like numbers going up, we have to assume that risk is increasing somewhat in proportion to how the virus is spreading in the UK. Given the Manx government's hyper-cautious approach, it's not unreasonable to expect them to add something like that restriction. In the summer was the prevalence low in the UK? In the run up to summer we were saying around 4/5k cases a day with 500-1000 deaths. We are now seeing close to 20,000 daily cases but deaths around 50/75. So that raises the question has it mutated into something less harmful or was it always out there in many more people but due to the lack of testing this wasn't picked up. I would say the latter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 38 minutes ago, trmpton said: Plenty of people share a bed with “cases” and never become a “case” themselves. Is that true? I suppose it's vague enough that it could be true. Coronavirus' r0 isn't far off Norovirus r0, and I sure as shit (pun intended) wouldn't share a bed with the missus if she had noro... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, HeliX said: Is that true? I suppose it's vague enough that it could be true. Coronavirus' r0 isn't far off Norovirus r0, and I sure as shit (pun intended) wouldn't share a bed with the missus if she had noro... But you would have known she had it, and so would she, so you could have made an informed decision. That’s exactly the point. The vast majority of people don’t even know they have it. Of course it’s true. People sleep with their partners the day before someone tests positive. Loads of those people (most? I can’t be arsed googling it) will never produce a positive test themselves Edited October 15, 2020 by trmpton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, Banker said: Yes ! Howie will be sweating in case someone asks him how his mates in Guernsey can come up with a feasible plan and he can’t Our media will probably just ask questions about whether they can still hold dinner parties this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, HeliX said: Is that true? I suppose it's vague enough that it could be true. Coronavirus' r0 isn't far off Norovirus r0, and I sure as shit (pun intended) wouldn't share a bed with the missus if she had noro... I suppose with Norovorius you know they have it because they look like crap but with Covid you won't necessarily know they have it unless they have bad symptoms or have tested positive. If it is just someone who has come home and isolating due to the rules rather than definatley having it then you wouldn't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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