IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Banker]

6 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

Everyone was catching Quayle out in the questions.  When Ann Corlett's running rings round you, you know you've problems.  But being Quayle he clearly didn't even realise he wasn't answering the questions that were asked.  You can see the whole sorry half hour, courtesy of Mr Moulton,  here:

Watterson complained that he'd been trying to get a straight answer off the Medical Director since July.  You'll notice that every time he's asked to release information to the public, Quayle just tries to fob Members off with promising them private meetings to tell them stuff.  It's the usual desperation to keep anything from leaking out to the plebs.

Yes he was struggling a bit !! Now keys & Tynwald are back he can’t keep hiding & dodging the questions which will continue because of his dictatorial style 

[Nom de plume]

6 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

Everyone was catching Quayle out in the questions.  When Ann Corlett's running rings round you, you know you've problems.  But being Quayle he clearly didn't even realise he wasn't answering the questions that were asked.  You can see the whole sorry half hour, courtesy of Mr Moulton,  here:

Watterson complained that he'd been trying to get a straight answer off the Medical Director since July.  You'll notice that every time he's asked to release information to the public, Quayle just tries to fob Members off with promising them private meetings to tell them stuff.  It's the usual desperation to keep anything from leaking out to the plebs.

So glad you’ve posted this.

Needs to go on to all these FB political pages where the mentalists reside.

Maybe one or two of them will start to then realise we are being held prisoners here for political gain rather than what is being advised by people who actually know what they’re taking about!

Keep the boarders shut, lives are at steak mutants.

[Banker]

8 hours ago, Neil Down said:

Fair comment Wrighty but only one on your list persists with the insults...just saying

 

Glad to see you’re admitting it 😂

[Derek Flint]

2 hours ago, Nom de plume said:

So glad you’ve posted this.

Needs to go on to all these FB political pages where the mentalists reside.

Maybe one or two of them will start to then realise we are being held prisoners here for political gain rather than what is being advised by people who actually know what they’re taking about!

Keep the boarders shut, lives are at steak mutants.

It’s hard to see what the big secret is? 

Juan W. Made a good point in tha once policy was made, the working out should be a matter of public record. The exceptions of National Security Clearly apply, but we are not at war here. We are trying to take the public with us in all this, and secrecy has no valid part to play. It is even more telling when COMIN are unable to add any validation to their approach.

Edited October 22, 2020 by Derek Flint

[Nom de plume]

16 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

It’s hard to see what the big secret is? 

Juan W. Made a good point in tha once policy was made, the working out should be a matter of public record. The exceptions of National Security Kearny apply, but we are not at war here. We are trying to take the public with us in all this, and secrecy has no valid part to play. It is even more telling when COMIN 

Hopefully the pressure will start to mount on why information & data is being withheld from the public.

[Non-Believer]

FOI?

What we're seeing here is no different to the everyday withholding of information on every other subject by Govt.

[Nom de plume]

7 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

FOI?

What we're seeing here is no different to the everyday withholding of information on every other subject by Govt.

One might argue this matter is slightly more serious perhaps. Policy is affecting civil freedoms.

[The Dog's Dangly Bits]

14 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

One might argue this matter is slightly more serious perhaps. Policy is affecting civil freedoms.

Really?

That seems delusional.  Whist I dont agree with certain aspects of the policy you're free to leave any time you want and go and live someone else.

 

[John Wright]

@Banker @Neil Down @Nom de plume @thesultanofsheight@TheTeapot

You can all take a week off.

[Nom de plume]

5 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

Really?

That seems delusional.  Whist I dont agree with certain aspects of the policy you're free to leave any time you want and go and live someone else.

 

More in relation to returning residents & vistors ;0)

[Lxxx]

9 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

Some them actually didn't.  Not a single one.  And the reason was completely predictable - there simply weren't the staff to service them.  The NHS doesn't have enough people at the best of times and the extra people they could round up or repurpose were all needed to replace the staff who were ill or quarantined.

It’s was great PR though to influence the herd to toe the line and go along with their own financial destruction. 

[The Dog's Dangly Bits]

8 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

Everyone was catching Quayle out in the questions.  When Ann Corlett's running rings round you, you know you've problems.  But being Quayle he clearly didn't even realise he wasn't answering the questions that were asked.  You can see the whole sorry half hour, courtesy of Mr Moulton,  here:

Watterson complained that he'd been trying to get a straight answer off the Medical Director since July.  You'll notice that every time he's asked to release information to the public, Quayle just tries to fob Members off with promising them private meetings to tell them stuff.  It's the usual desperation to keep anything from leaking out to the plebs.

I watched the half hour.

I thought, on the whole, he handled things OK.   He is of course at the mercy of a number of civil servants who are supposed to provide in depth answers to pre asked questions.  Many of those people are simply not up to scratch and making life harder than it needs to be for this type of thing.

The comical one was the question about the CM making decisions on his own.  I mean, seriously?

[Lxxx]

3 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

I watched the half hour.

I thought, on the whole, he handled things OK.   He is of course at the mercy of a number of civil servants who are supposed to provide in depth answers to pre asked questions.  Many of those people are simply not up to scratch and making life harder than it needs to be for this type of thing.

The comical one was the question about the CM making decisions on his own.  I mean, seriously?

He constantly refers to his need to ask someone or refer to others before answering, conveniently forgetting he is the one in charge. Supposedly.

Edited October 22, 2020 by Lxxx

[Feelslike]

5 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said:

Really?

That seems delusional.  Whist I dont agree with certain aspects of the policy you're free to leave any time you want and go and live someone else.

 

That's not really how it should work. You shouldn't be encouraged to move countries because you're not happy with policy. 

I don't agree that we - the general public - should be privy to all of the information that goes into decision making processes at CoMin. There will be advice and papers on the theoretical affect their proposals have; the economic impact, how much assistance they can give businesses, the number of business that might go bust, how many job losses they anticipate. What the impact limiting DHSC leave will have if cases pick up, how many cases or deaths are expected as a trade-off to sustain or increase economic turn-over, at what point they might shut schools and the impact that will have.

All of those issues are too personal for many members of the pubic. As is constantly demonstrated on social media, it is not the moderate voices that are heard. The vocal minority on both sides are extreme and no good can possibly come from all of that information being in the public domain. Any report commissioned, knowing the public will see it, will not be as impactful or as forthright as it needs to be. 

If you want an input on policy, if you want to be in a position to make these decisions then become a politician. 

[Roger Mexico]

2 hours ago, Nom de plume said:

Maybe one or two [Facebookers] will start to then realise we are being held prisoners here for political gain rather than what is being advised by people who actually know what they’re taking about!

You can't really complain that politicians are doing things because they would be politically popular - that's sort of the point of politicians.  You can always start a political party based on "Don't do what the people want, do what I want!", but don't expect it to get more than one vote.

It's not even that everything that Quayle said was wrong.  He even made the point, very similar to what I have here, that restrictions have to alter in response to levels of infection in the UK[1].  The real problem here is that the means of making those decisions are being hidden, so that even if the right decisions are made, it may be for the wrong reasons and that might mean the next decisions are wrong.  As with the DoI, protecting the egos of those involved is more important than doing the right thing.

 

[1]  Naturally this was in response to a question about something entirely, but baby steps.  It also doesn't really explain why they introduced the 7 day test just as infections were starting to increase, rather than fall.