pongo Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Max Power said: In 1974 and following the Birmingham pub bombings, temporary emergency anti terrorism legislation, stripping several liberties away were introduced. They are renewed on a nod every year. It was Roy Jenkins who introduced those powers IIRC. Against everything that he stood for. But they helped to supress a public reaction which would likely have seen violence against Birmingham's large Irish community. They remain in force (modified) for similar reasons. Edited November 2, 2020 by pongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) In the immediate aftermath the government had to be seen to be doing something. The downside was that Roy Mason ended up making things worse. Edited November 2, 2020 by pongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 42 minutes ago, trmpton said: I hope government are looking at relevant support for local businesses? I assume there is a robust plan in place for if/when the Uk went back into lockdown? Someone asked something similar on twitter, Lawrie Hooper has replied, you can see it here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Someone asked something similar on twitter, Lawrie Hooper has replied, you can see it here Thanks Dont do Twitter so will set an account up and check it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 1 hour ago, TheTeapot said: It has been obvious for some time that one of the principal problems with the pandemic has been clear, obvious, honest communication from governments etc has been appalling. A small community like ours it shouldn't be that hard. Instead we've got ridiculous spats with qualified people and ultra defensive performances from leaders. They need to do better, they need us onside, they need to tell the whole truth all the time. I have been saying this for months. After watching the documentary last night, I question even more the information we are being fed. I don't subscribe to a conspiracy, but I do subscribe to megalomania which has to be a facet of anyone wanting to go into politics. The problem with covid is it is not within the control of anyone, but the population is and if you are a bit of a megalomaniac, you are going to do all you can to make it appear that "you have got this" at the cost of anything like health, life, truth, civil liberties and justice. The above comments do not directly refer to IOM politicians, but they are caught up in the international zeitgeist. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hissingsid Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I totally disagree I think the Government have kept us informed every step of the way as far as they could without a crystal ball, this is our Government, Boris Johnson has taken advice from scientists who cannot agree amongst themselves, coming up with new theories every day and really making a dreadful situation worse. Whether they are hell bent on making a name for themselves or genuinely believe they are right we do not know but as they contradict each other all the time who do we or the Prime Minister believe ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, Gladys said: I have been saying this for months. After watching the documentary last night, I question even more the information we are being fed. I don't subscribe to a conspiracy, but I do subscribe to megalomania which has to be a facet of anyone wanting to go into politics. The problem with covid is it is not within the control of anyone, but the population is and if you are a bit of a megalomaniac, you are going to do all you can to make it appear that "you have got this" at the cost of anything like health, life, truth, civil liberties and justice. The above comments do not directly refer to IOM politicians, but they are caught up in the international zeitgeist. It's not just the information we're fed, but the misinformation too. I could write a convincing argument for no lockdown let it rip, or I could write one for the most severe restrictions possible, or one somewhere in the middle, and I could back them all up with 'sources', professors, doctors, officials of all kinds. There has been a whole host of crap dumped on us around this, it's always been hard to figure out what's true. Did you see that article I posted a while back "the more certain someone is about covid the less you should trust them"? Yeah, that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, Gladys said: I have been saying this for months. After watching the documentary last night, I question even more the information we are being fed. Similar things have happened frequently though-out recorded history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_hysteria_cases 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: It's not just the information we're fed, but the misinformation too. I could write a convincing argument for no lockdown let it rip, or I could write one for the most severe restrictions possible, or one somewhere in the middle, and I could back them all up with 'sources', professors, doctors, officials of all kinds. There has been a whole host of crap dumped on us around this, it's always been hard to figure out what's true. Did you see that article I posted a while back "the more certain someone is about covid the less you should trust them"? Yeah, that. 100%. Yes, I did read that article but will search again to re-read. I have been vacillating on covid, but my main concern has been "greatest good at least cost". However after hearing Trump trump the same mantra, I will look for a new slogan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Let's hope that the people newly banging on about civil liberties will keep it up post Covid. On the plus side, at least nobody will ever again sensibly argue against face coverings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Such a subjective perspective, civil liberties. And most only care about their own. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Oh, and about that documentary from last night... John Olivers show from last night was half about that, used some of the clips too so maybe it has been screened over there. So if anyone wants a 20 minute sweary version instead of the two hour detailed and very interesting version its here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenFairfax Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Quote ...officials say appropriate safeguards are in place at the hospital to protect care professionals, patients and visitors. 3FM reported. I thought no requirement to use PPE at Nobles, so no idea what is meant by "appropriate safeguards". Risk of outbreak at Nobles from patient returning from Liverpool was hardly unforeseen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmpton Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, BenFairfax said: 3FM reported. I thought no requirement to use PPE at Nobles, so no idea what is meant by "appropriate safeguards". Risk of outbreak at Nobles from patient returning from Liverpool was hardly unforeseen. If someone tests positive, or answers the questions to say they have been off island etc. Then they take extra precautions like PPe. Same as a go would. Not sure what’s complicated about it tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, pongo said: Such a subjective perspective, civil liberties. And most only care about their own. No it’s quite an easy concept to grasp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_liberties Civil liberties are guarantees and freedoms that liberal governments commit not to abridge, either by legislation or judicial interpretation, without due process Edited November 2, 2020 by thesultanofsheight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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