IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Nom de plume]

1 hour ago, Banker said:

Now that Howie has advised no families can travel & won’t ease 14 days isolation with testing, EasyJet have cancelled all routes until February for Gatwick & Liverpool so difficult to escape even if you wish to.

We've got to hope now that case numbers drop as a result of the lockdown measures in place up until the 2nd Dec. There is evidence to suggest that numbers were already beginning to plateau & in some regions drop before Lockdown II.

We then need our politicians to start applying pressure on HQ & CoMin to come up with a coherent plan to get us out of the 'Gold Standard' 14 day isolation policy.

If the UK starts moving again and families are able to reunite for Christmas it seems incredibly cruel to deny people here the same liberties and freedoms.

[Nom de plume]

3 minutes ago, Cambon said:

Worldometers Channel Islands. 

Because governments always tell the truth

But you'll hang on to every word that Howard Quayle & David Ashford spoon feed you despite the fact they haven't presented one shred of medical evidence or data to substantiate their self proclaimed 'Draconian Measures' .......

[TheTeapot]

4 minutes ago, Cambon said:

Worldometers Channel Islands. 

Because governments always tell the truth

I think those worldometers figures for critical cases are wrong and have been for some time. I think they didn't clear some off a while back.

[Cambon]

12 hours ago, Banker said:

Well if you test in arrival you get a lot more cases, Guernsey upto 12 as also testing on arrival now. No doubt if we did any testing eg on arrival, 7 days etc we would show up more but we only test on symptoms or going into hospital so not getting the data.

Exactly. So Iom is not wasting time and resources, whilst still having cases arriving and building up a slow and stready herd immunity. 

And, I will say again, jersey still has social distancing, table service only in pubs and restaurants, etc. 

[Banker]

1 minute ago, Nom de plume said:

We've got to hope now that case numbers drop as a result of the lockdown measures in place up until the 2nd Dec. There is evidence to suggest that numbers were already beginning to plateau & in some regions drop before Lockdown II.

We then need our politicians to start applying pressure on HQ & CoMin to come up with a coherent plan to get us out of the 'Gold Standard' 14 day isolation policy.

If the UK starts moving again and families are able to reunite for Christmas it seems incredibly cruel to deny people here the same liberties and freedoms.

It’s the head in sand approach of Howie that’s concerning,don’t do testing, get rid of one of our leading scientists as you don’t like her advice and wait for vaccine!!

Meanwhile both Jersey & Guernsey have plans involving testing on arrival and allow families & friends to visit 

[Banker]

1 minute ago, Cambon said:

Exactly. So Iom is not wasting time and resources, whilst still having cases arriving and building up a slow and stready herd immunity. 

And, I will say again, jersey still has social distancing, table service only in pubs and restaurants, etc. 

what about Guernsey? Who are also doing testing on arrival ,you are such a Howie disciple it’s embarrassing!

[Cambon]

4 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

But you'll hang on to every word that Howard Quayle & David Ashford spoon feed you despite the fact they haven't presented one shred of medical evidence or data to substantiate their self proclaimed 'Draconian Measures' .......

You are starting to make yourself look silly now. I don't agree with half of what Q&A are doing, but it would take a complete tit to want to allow loads of people in right now. Jersey and Guernsey can test on arrival all they want. Everyone arriving at the moment still has to isolate for 14 days. 

[Cambon]

3 minutes ago, Banker said:

what about Guernsey? Who are also doing testing on arrival ,you are such a Howie disciple it’s embarrassing!

It has taken a while for Covid to get into the community in Jersey. Guernsey is still 14 days isolation.

[Nom de plume]

5 minutes ago, Cambon said:

You are starting to make yourself look silly now. I don't agree with half of what Q&A are doing, but it would take a complete tit to want to allow loads of people in right now. Jersey and Guernsey can test on arrival all they want. Everyone arriving at the moment still has to isolate for 14 days. 

I reckon you’re definitely one of that lot that reckons the Nightingale hospitals were built as a con job to fool the UK population even though there wasn’t any staff to run them .......

Even Boris Johnson, a buffoon of unrivalled aptitude, wouldn’t spunk billions of pounds on hospitals unless they were going to be needed which they weren’t & aren’t - EVER.

[monasqueen]

As the Channel Islands keep getting mentioned, it may be a good idea to look at how their residents view the situation. 

Comments from readers of the Guernsey Post's recent article include:

"The Isle of Man's system is much safer than ours. It's not their 9 cases all in quarantine against our 13, it's the fact that their system does not allow any arrivals to mix with their population until they have isolated for 14 days. That is the regime that Guernsey moved away from since August 17th.

We do not actually know how many cases we have in the community now. More 'surprise clusters' are inevitable, a large scale outbreak is quite possible. This is what caused the air bridge to be demolished, it is what is creating the need to shelter vulnerable people and could plunge us back into lockdown. Our system is only marginally safer than Jersey's, their infections have slowly risen to 95 known cases currently, a rate of 78.9 per 100k."       and

"It is suspicious that since we gave up on 14 day quarantine and started these different categories (some only needing 7 day quarantine) that we now have fresh outbreaks.

This indicates the 7 day testing is not reliable - which is hardly surprising as it can take up to 14 days for infections to show. Probably, the new cases started after someone 'passed' the 7 day test and went on to develop the virus a few days later.

The 7 day test is unreliable to protect the public from contagion, and we should immediately go back to a blanket 14 day quarantine PLUS a test after 14 days, before allowing potential carriers out into our community."

 

[Banker]

Just now, monasqueen said:

As the Channel Islands keep getting mentioned, it may be a good idea to look at how their residents view the situation. 

Comments from readers of the Guernsey Post's recent article include:

"The Isle of Man's system is much safer than ours. It's not their 9 cases all in quarantine against our 13, it's the fact that their system does not allow any arrivals to mix with their population until they have isolated for 14 days. That is the regime that Guernsey moved away from since August 17th.

We do not actually know how many cases we have in the community now. More 'surprise clusters' are inevitable, a large scale outbreak is quite possible. This is what caused the air bridge to be demolished, it is what is creating the need to shelter vulnerable people and could plunge us back into lockdown. Our system is only marginally safer than Jersey's, their infections have slowly risen to 95 known cases currently, a rate of 78.9 per 100k."       and

"It is suspicious that since we gave up on 14 day quarantine and started these different categories (some only needing 7 day quarantine) that we now have fresh outbreaks.

This indicates the 7 day testing is not reliable - which is hardly surprising as it can take up to 14 days for infections to show. Probably, the new cases started after someone 'passed' the 7 day test and went on to develop the virus a few days later.

The 7 day test is unreliable to protect the public from contagion, and we should immediately go back to a blanket 14 day quarantine PLUS a test after 14 days, before allowing potential carriers out into our community."

 

It’s easy to pick random comments out to support any view but the majority of population are in favour of new borders plan as it allows families etc to visit, also Howie was a bit of a joke there for closing air bridges with so few cases 

[Nom de plume]

5 minutes ago, monasqueen said:

As the Channel Islands keep getting mentioned, it may be a good idea to look at how their residents view the situation. 

Comments from readers of the Guernsey Post's recent article include:

"The Isle of Man's system is much safer than ours. It's not their 9 cases all in quarantine against our 13, it's the fact that their system does not allow any arrivals to mix with their population until they have isolated for 14 days. That is the regime that Guernsey moved away from since August 17th.

We do not actually know how many cases we have in the community now. More 'surprise clusters' are inevitable, a large scale outbreak is quite possible. This is what caused the air bridge to be demolished, it is what is creating the need to shelter vulnerable people and could plunge us back into lockdown. Our system is only marginally safer than Jersey's, their infections have slowly risen to 95 known cases currently, a rate of 78.9 per 100k."       and

"It is suspicious that since we gave up on 14 day quarantine and started these different categories (some only needing 7 day quarantine) that we now have fresh outbreaks.

This indicates the 7 day testing is not reliable - which is hardly surprising as it can take up to 14 days for infections to show. Probably, the new cases started after someone 'passed' the 7 day test and went on to develop the virus a few days later.

The 7 day test is unreliable to protect the public from contagion, and we should immediately go back to a blanket 14 day quarantine PLUS a test after 14 days, before allowing potential carriers out into our community."

 

I don’t think anybody is disputing the effectiveness of our ‘Gold Standard’ measures but it is not a long term acceptable policy.

We must introduce risk at some point to allow freedoms, it’s that simple.

Edited November 6, 2020 by Nom de plume

[Banker]

14 minutes ago, Cambon said:

It has taken a while for Covid to get into the community in Jersey. Guernsey is still 14 days isolation.

Depends where you come from , Jersey arrivals are 7 days plus tests. Jersey have carried out 160k tests and have 97 with none in hospital despite you making up things to say they have 

[monasqueen]

I picked those comments because most people on here seem to think that the Channel Islands systems are wonderful.

[Nom de plume]

Just now, monasqueen said:

I picked those comments because most people on here seem to think that the Channel Islands systems are wonderful.

They aren’t wonderful. Nobody says they are - you are being very silly now.

They are effective, well planned, allow movement & mitigate risk in a very tough situation.