Banker Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: Statistics. This was supposed be an evidence based policy making Government. But when offered the chance to gather evidence they rebuke it. At the moment they seem to be doing things on gut instinct. Correct, if they don’t test, they don’t get cases so they have no data or evidence so they can’t make decisions which is exactly what Howie wants and his followers like Cambon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: Statistics. This was supposed be an evidence based policy making Government. But when offered the chance to gather evidence they rebuke it. At the moment they seem to be doing things on gut instinct. I’m not sure it’s even instinct. Just the cheapest and easiest way of managing resources, stifling all debate, and managing all the keep the borders closed idiots. Best not give them any data they can get all frightened about. I now find it very hard to believe that we do not have any community cases to be honest but the minute that genie is out of the bottle all hell is going to break loose which they’re trying to avoid at all costs rather than go down the route of sensible science based options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: Statistics. This was supposed be an evidence based policy making Government. But when offered the chance to gather evidence they rebuke it. At the moment they seem to be doing things on gut instinct. 2 hours ago, Banker said: Correct, if they don’t test, they don’t get cases so they have no data or evidence so they can’t make decisions which is exactly what Howie wants and his followers like Cambon @BankerHow many years do you think it would take to gather enough data for it to be statistically meaningful or useful? The number of people arriving here is tiny. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 https://twitter.com/IOMGovernment/status/1325135723658240005?s=19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: https://twitter.com/IOMGovernment/status/1325135723658240005?s=19 Sad news, sympathies. BUT this means little Ashford has been lying to us surely if they died FROM COVID? He said only the other day that two in hospital weren’t in hospital with COVID, but had tested positive as part of a process. Also that we didn’t have any critical cases, all safely self isolating at home. What has drastically changed? Were one of the hospital cases in fact seriously there with COVID? Edited November 7, 2020 by NoTailT 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, NoTailT said: He said only the other day that two in hospital weren’t in hospital with COVID, but had tested positive as part of a process. Also that we didn’t have any critical cases, all safely self isolating at home. What has drastically changed? Were one of the hospital cases in fact seriously there with COVID? Yes. Firstly massive condolences as this is awful news that no family wants to get. But you’re right - they either died of covid when Ashford was clear that nobody was admitted with covid or was being treated primarily for covid at the hospital, or they died of something else (those two were said to have been away for treatment for existing conditions which could be cancer etc) after testing positive for covid. Either way questions now need to be answered. Edited November 7, 2020 by thesultanofsheight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 They're a bunch of assholes who do not understand that the only way we will get anywhere is by keeping public confidence high by TELLING THE FUCKING TRUTH AT ALL TIMES. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 1 minute ago, thesultanofsheight said: Yes. Firstly massive condolences as this is awful news that no family wants to ge. But you’re right - they either died of covid when Ashford was clear that nobody was admitted with covid or was being treated primarily for covid at the hospital, or they died of something else (those two were said to have been away for treatment) after testing positive for covid. Either way questions now need to be answered. I hope they’re not up to their ‘cause of death’ tricks again as justification for something or to keep the fear of god in the population. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, pongo said: @BankerHow many years do you think it would take to gather enough data for it to be statistically meaningful or useful? The number of people arriving here is tiny. I think Rachel Glover would disagree as she and others said the testing of 7 days was very useful in building up a picture of where cases were coming from, same as Guernsey are doing now with arrivals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Just now, thesultanofsheight said: Yes. Firstly massive condolences as this is awful news that no family wants to get. But you’re right - they either died of covid when Ashford was clear that nobody was admitted with covid or was being treated primarily for covid at the hospital, or they died of something else (those two were said to have been away for treatment) after testing positive for covid. Either way questions now need to be answered. Or they could be one of the other 7/8 who were isolating at home and perhaps took ill. I don't know the answer by the way just pointing out another alternative 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, NoTailT said: I hope they’re not up to their ‘cause of death’ tricks again as justification for something or to keep the fear of god in the population. I wouldn’t want to speculate as this is terrible news for the family concerned. But honest answers now need to be given. They were either being treated for covid contrary to reports the other day, or were being treated for something else but had covid in their system (or as Thommo says maybe they were one of the ones at home and not in the hospital group which seems less likely). People are going to go into meltdown now anyway so they might as well take the opportunity to be honest. Edited November 7, 2020 by thesultanofsheight 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Just now, thommo2010 said: Or they could be one of the other 7/8 who were isolating at home and perhaps took ill. I don't know the answer by the way just pointing out another alternative If that is the case then we have someone that has returned with a strong strain of the virus or was vulnerable and returned with it. May be a catalyst for whole home isolations, or even tighter restrictions. cant be threatening Howard’s little COVID free Isle.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 22 minutes ago, NoTailT said: Sad news, sympathies. BUT this means little Ashford has been lying to us surely if they died FROM COVID? He said only the other day that two in hospital weren’t in hospital with COVID, but had tested positive as part of a process. Also that we didn’t have any critical cases, all safely self isolating at home. What has drastically changed? Were one of the hospital cases in fact seriously there with COVID? The standard international definition is a death within 28 days of a positive Covid detection whatever the actual cause is. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, John Wright said: The standard international definition is a death within 28 days of a positive Covid detection whatever the actual cause is. Maybe when collecting mass data. Small population with small numbers, they either died from it (per tweet) or with it. But also the two hospital cases were routine, I think possibly even also having recently returned from Liverpool? Something drastic has changed here and it needs clarity. Edited November 7, 2020 by NoTailT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, John Wright said: The standard international definition is a death within 28 days of a positive Covid detection whatever the actual cause is. Correct and you assume they will have to fall in line with standard definitions for reporting purposes even if, say, someone was away for heart treatment and died of a heart attack after testing positive for covid. That’s not an attempt at speculation - that’s just trying to put that 28 day definition into some sort of loose context as the official cause of death could literally be anything but someone also had failed a covid test in the last month. Edited November 7, 2020 by thesultanofsheight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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