IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Banker]

21 minutes ago, BenFairfax said:

Would add that majority people who got caught (from what I read in press) were easy to detect. With this aside the policy is really about protecting wider society. People can accept benfits and risks of traveling now, but just not equitable to take all benefits themselves of traveling, and think they can socialise the risks.

Just to protect the postman or electric reader,... I would also ask people in quaranteen to post note onto the front door. Why should postman doing his rounds not be warned if various houses are meant to quaranteen.   

The postman or any other callers don’t really need any notes as if just delivering they put through letterbox or leave at door. Anything else they ring bell so you just tell them through window to leave at door etc , that’s what we did with Tesco etc 

[boswellian]

1 hour ago, NoTail said:

My mother

I doubt it. Is your question based on age references ot do you have a libertarian parent? I’m intrigued. 

[NoTail]

5 minutes ago, boswellian said:

I doubt it. Is your question based on age references ot do you have a libertarian parent? I’m intrigued. 

She's 88

[BenFairfax]

56 minutes ago, thesultanofsheight said:

Wouldn’t it make sense to give them a list of s/i homes anyway and when out on their rounds ask them to just have a look when they’re delivering letters to see if all seems to be in order?

It makes sense to me, postman comes every day and knows there round, and what is and is not normal. I would still require people to post a note for public confidence. If people have confidence in regulation increases chance border restrictions will be reduce on one hand and more importantly we reduce risk of any onward transmission. In UK tier 3 would have likely worked if only people stuck to rules.

43 minutes ago, Banker said:

Anything else they ring bell so you just tell them through window to leave at door etc , that’s what we did with Tesco etc 

That is what normal people would do, here we are checking for people who think they can personally benefits from travel yet socialize the risks. 

Edited November 8, 2020 by BenFairfax
Type and clarity.

[pongo]

5 minutes ago, boswellian said:

I doubt it. Is your question based on age references ot do you have a libertarian parent? I’m intrigued. 

Are you still also anti-5G, flouride etc?

[trmpton]

9 minutes ago, BenFairfax said:

It makes sense to me, postman comes every day and knows there round, and what is and is not normal. I would still require people to post a note for public confidence. If people have confidence in regulation increases chance border restrictions will be reduce on one hand and more importantly we reduce risk of any onward transmission. In UK tier 3 would have likely worked if only people stuck to rules.

That is what normal people would do, here we are checking for people who think they can personally benefits from travel yet socialize the risks. 

Tier three did work, look at the figures.

Boris panicked and went to the latest draconian measures at a time when both “cases” (I still think it’s Biloxi’s you have to be tested to be a case, and can have no symptoms) and deaths were starting to drop anyway.

[Gladys]

28 minutes ago, NoTail said:

She's 88

Really?  Would she rather be cut off from her family for years or be protected sufficiently to see family but without a cast iron guarantee that she will not be infected?  

[TheTeapot]

11 minutes ago, trmpton said:

Tier three did work, look at the figures.

Boris panicked and went to the latest draconian measures at a time when both “cases” (I still think it’s Biloxi’s you have to be tested to be a case, and can have no symptoms) and deaths were starting to drop anyway.

What figures are you using to base that on? You said something similar the other day too, I was going to ask you about it then. From what I can tell the rate of growth has slowed but there's not much dropping going on.

From yesterday deaths on a 7 day average for the last 3 Saturdays read 167, 259, 333. That's no dropping at all, while positive tests are fairly stable at just over 20000 a day, along with a testing positivity rate of around 8%.

Please feel free to share your source, maybe I'm reading the wrong ones, although I don't think so.

[BenFairfax]

19 minutes ago, trmpton said:

Tier three did work, look at the figures.

Liverpool was working, but not all of Manchester (Oldham for example), but when hospitals got little slack in system the risks are ratched up and going to skew on side of caution. I would not be surprised if timing of national lockdown is really design to tie in within roll out of vaccine. As Pulse reports: all GPs are being primed for its roll out, contacts in place GP get over 12.58 GBP to administer each dose (versus bit over 10 GBP for flu jab) but only paid when give 2nd shot, vaccine will be delivered in 1,000 dose batches and once refrosted from -70C, will need to be used within 5 days, and need to stay on site for 20min after jab. They been told to be ready by 1st Dec.... Be interesting to see this happening here, since with flu jab doing no where near 200 jabs a day in most clinics. 

[Apple]

2 hours ago, BenFairfax said:

Just to protect the postman or electric reader,... I would also ask people in quaranteen to post note onto the front door. Why should postman doing his rounds not be warned if various houses are meant to quaranteen.   

Because it is none of their business?

Why a note, just paint a red dot.....

Postman does not call everyday any more as more postal services dry up..

This is what integrated care will look like...snoopers charter?

 

[thesultanofsheight]

1 minute ago, Apple said:

Because it is none of their business?

Why a note, just paint a red dot.....

Postman does not call everyday any more as more postal services dry up..

This is what integrated care will look like...snoopers charter?

But we’ve empowered private snoopers anyway. Surely people paid to keep tabs on things would be better than passing the baton to legions of nosey bastards to use emergency legislation to carry out vendettas on people with? Public or private snooping is about the same but at least the public snoopers wear a uniform so you know who they are! It’s the private snoopers you need to be concerned about as you won’t know who they are or what their motivation is! 

[BenFairfax]

2 minutes ago, Apple said:

Because it is none of their business?

So you want to treat postman (and other people who call to private houses) differently from GPs. As we were told GPs ask about travel history. But for some reason we think it fine postmen are not deemed same protections.

[Apple]

13 minutes ago, BenFairfax said:

So you want to treat postman (and other people who call to private houses) differently from GPs. As we were told GPs ask about travel history. But for some reason we think it fine postmen are not deemed same protections.

I asked the question about postmen due to the previous post. Is it their business to know if a house is in quarantine just to post a letter ?

If someone puts an identifying mark on their door for everyone to see is that remaining confidential?

The governments plan for integrated care (post Covid) will include people going about heir normal business 'keeping an eye' on vulnerable people. The problems will come the first time someone makes a mistake and fails to report someone who needed help, and the accountability issue raises it's head. 

[Scotty]

13 hours ago, thesultanofsheight said:

But we’ve empowered private snoopers anyway. Surely people paid to keep tabs on things would be better than passing the baton to legions of nosey bastards to use emergency legislation to carry out vendettas on people with? Public or private snooping is about the same but at least the public snoopers wear a uniform so you know who they are! It’s the private snoopers you need to be concerned about as you won’t know who they are or what their motivation is! 

You say Private Snooper

I say civic duty as a human being.

Edited November 9, 2020 by Scotty

[Apple]

John Hopkins latest Covid figures - over 50 million cases globally, over I million 250 thousand died.