IOM Covid removing restrictions

[jaymann]

20 minutes ago, rachomics said:

It's 16 a day and they are rationed to each hospital by the UK government after each country was given it's ration from the manufacturer (we fall under UK as a crown dependency). These rapid tests are very different (and far more accurate) than the ones being used in Liverpool. 

Am I right in my understanding that these are used for e.g. surgeons coming to the Island for the day to work and other priorities as such?

[wrighty]

8 minutes ago, jaymann said:

Am I right in my understanding that these are used for e.g. surgeons coming to the Island for the day to work and other priorities as such?

They can be, but if possible visiting specialists come the day before. Main indications are patients coming through ED who need a result quicker than the next standard lab run - those with suspected stroke, needing emergency surgery, for ITU admission etc. 

[Anyone]

Well it’s the National Covid Service now. Anything else you might not make it. And England’s Nightingale hospitals remain empty. I don’t believe what anyone in authority says now. 

[thesultanofsheight]

1 hour ago, Anyone said:

Well it’s the National Covid Service now. Anything else you might not make it. And England’s Nightingale hospitals remain empty. I don’t believe what anyone in authority says now. 

On the upside in the UK it seems that there is nobody in authority now as most people don’t give a shit and are just carrying on going about their lives taking sensible precautions (hand washing, distancing, masks) without buying in to the lockdown bullshit and fear. As many people have pointed out to me - these are restrictions not the lockdowns they are being sold as. Most places that can remain open are open, less people give a shit, most people would rather have a future and have an income rather than sit cowering in the basement bricking it about dying from covid. I’d guess Boris Johnson has about a week or so to try to salvage his (already poor) reputation. 

Edited November 9, 2020 by thesultanofsheight

[Anyone]

I think it is bye bye Boris.

[thesultanofsheight]

43 minutes ago, Anyone said:

I think it is bye bye Boris.

I hope so. The man is a total buffoon who has proved that he is not in control of the country he purports to head. Now ramping Pfizer shares to any moron who will listen. 

Edited November 9, 2020 by thesultanofsheight

[jaymann]

40 minutes ago, wrighty said:

They can be, but if possible visiting specialists come the day before. Main indications are patients coming through ED who need a result quicker than the next standard lab run - those with suspected stroke, needing emergency surgery, for ITU admission etc. 

Thanks for the clarity

[Utah 01]

11 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

Have a complete dataset:

Thanks

[Apple]

11 hours ago, Black Mirror said:

The Isle of Man will not be able to implement a mandatory Covid vaccination on its own.

It would be problematic also for the UK, if for mandatory you mean a right-to-travel requirement.

How would it effect though the need for travel insurance that this govt insists we need for travel to UK ?

If a health vaccination certificate was a required component then could Steam Packet embrace a future policy of refusing to carry people without one ? 

[BenFairfax]

On 11/8/2020 at 1:29 PM, John Wright said:

Yes, we should have border testing.

Yes we should have geo locator tagging.

Has anyone produced a flow diagram with the various options and put a probability to each option. No test 14 day isolation option is clearly safest regarding individual modulo risk of these people breaking isolation and household transmission but could model those risks. Imagine that has happened and profiled personality types who would break isolation and decided jail time, fines and Courier appearance is best control mechanism for such (anti social and reckless) personalities. One test options, Rachel made it clear 7 (or maybe 10) day test is optimal based on ability to detect infection and such people's ability to infect others. But still have household infection risk.... Two test options another bunch.... All I am thinking is have multi-factor model based on:

• Reliability of testing (including false positives/negatives and behaviour effects)
• Infectiousness
• Virulence
• Household infection
• Breaking isolation
• Speed detection of community outbreak
• ...

It just seems here we go back and forth saying same things over and over again, when in fact now with a high level of confidence can put a precise measure of risk against various choices. When have those choices modeled from risk point of view, can move on to debate how to balance other factor's (personal freedoms and economy). being bit crude here since you would have feedback effect on economy and freedoms if an outbreak occured but at least this provides a starting point, for rational debate. 

[ellanvannin2010]

7 hours ago, Apple said:

How would it effect though the need for travel insurance that this govt insists we need for travel to UK ?

If a health vaccination certificate was a required component then could Steam Packet embrace a future policy of refusing to carry people without one ? 

Any travel company could in theory as a condition of carriage require a valid certificate, whether they would is a different matter.

Do you not just need insurance in the UK to cover repatriation, emergency treatment is covered by the health agreement?

[Banker]

Will this stop the mass panic over returning students if Manx students have test?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-54888464

[BenFairfax]

7 hours ago, Apple said:

How would it effect though the need for travel insurance that this govt insists we need for travel to UK ?

Most border restrictions (here and in UK) will be at people's front door.  Out of house people will choose which environments they choose to enter. If I pay more for more upmarket hotel it not because I care about thread count of sheets or quality of sausage I get for breakfast (though I do hate cheap sausages). It is because I believe rightly or wrongly that less chance of some muppet slamming a door at 2am in morning. In same way, out of house if you get choose between two venues and you feel one likely to have lot higher % people vaccinated than the other, which one are you going to choose.  

[Apple]

1 hour ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

Do you not just need insurance in the UK to cover repatriation, emergency treatment is covered by the health agreement?

That's my understanding. Though what happens when Manx Care comes in and the Health Bill to follow would raise some doubt about exactly what our relationship to NHS UK will be. I hope it stays the same.

 

1 hour ago, BenFairfax said:

.........you feel one likely to have lot higher % people vaccinated than the other, which one are you going to choose.  

I see the point but visiting relatives off island may be the determining factor. Holiday would be different matter.

[Black Mirror]

9 hours ago, Apple said:

How would it effect though the need for travel insurance that this govt insists we need for travel to UK ?

If a health vaccination certificate was a required component then could Steam Packet embrace a future policy of refusing to carry people without one ? 

 

20 hours ago, Black Mirror said:

The Isle of Man will not be able to implement a mandatory Covid vaccination on its own.

It would be problematic also for the UK, if for mandatory you mean a right-to-travel requirement.

 

1 hour ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

Any travel company could in theory as a condition of carriage require a valid certificate, whether they would is a different matter.

Do you not just need insurance in the UK to cover repatriation, emergency treatment is covered by the health agreement?

 

Any such type of "mandatory" covid vaccination would need a global certification process. The reason being that many people will have had their vaccination outside the British isles. This is quite unlikely to happen.

As mentioned in my previous positing, the risk that the vaccine will cause freak accidents is coming from the delivery platform, rather than it being a covid vaccine specifically. Both the Pfizer and the AstraZeneca vaccine have untested delivery platforms: they have never been used before in any other vaccine. There are some other vaccines coming later that have well tested delivery platforms, for instance the J&J's one, which uses the Ebola's platform.

The consensus is that it would be reckless to force an untested delivery platform in the half of the population that has less risk from covid. The Isle of Man authorities are never going to take the huge political risk to go alone on a similar matter.

As a long trend, Covid would be less dangerous than the common flu even without a vaccine. It has caused this mayhem because it is a new virus for which we had no or little pre-existing
immunity and frankly because of the politicisation of it. At a certain point, people will wan't to move on, rather than continuing having these fights.