IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Scotty]

1 minute ago, Roger Mexico said:

This is what I get:

I'm not logged into Facebook - is this one of those things where it has translated it into California time?

Maybe they don’t want you listening in ?

[Roger Mexico]

1 minute ago, thesultanofsheight said:

You using VPN and it’s time zone converting. Says 3:55 to everyone else. 

Not on a VPN, just not logged into Facebook.  They've obviously set it up assuming you are - not a good idea if you're using open accounts that anyone can browse for communication.

Still it saves us all from the sight of Howie in his nightshirt (Gef will be sad).

[AcousticallyChallenged]

Well, let's look at things from Howie's perspective.

They're not community cases if you pass them on to people known to you, that's friendly transmission, not community, and the figures don't have a category for that.

Edited November 11, 2020 by AcousticallyChallenged

[Boris Johnson]

Don't like the look of this, worth a quick read.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-54906644

Giving those clowns more power is not a good idea.

[thesultanofsheight]

2 minutes ago, Boris Johnson said:

Don't like the look of this, worth a quick read.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-54906644

Giving those clowns more power is not a good idea.

Considering our Minister for Policy and Reform is a total bell-end that’s worrying. Where was the public debate around this? 

[Gladys]

1 minute ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

Well, let's look at things from Howie's perspective.

They're not community cases if you pass them on to people known to you, that's friendly transmission, not community, and the figures don't have a category for that.

And if you takeaway the number you first thought of, you get nil community cases.

 We can only hope that this doesn't trigger a bout of hysteria that will only be quelled with extreme measures.   As most sensible people have been saying, let's have honesty and openness.  That way people's expectations can be managed rather than reassuring everyone that we are covid free by some artful manipulation, and will stay that way.  

[Banker]

1 hour ago, pongo said:

The simple fact is that it's whole households who should be isolating if anyone in that household has travelled. The Chamber of Commerce member survey showed 75% support for that.

A lot of people are still making completely unnecessary trips away. 

Everything will quickly get back to normal just as soon as everyone can be vaccinated.

Yes and also wanted testing on arrival and shorter quarantine so assume you want all chamber recommendations implemented?

[The Dog's Dangly Bits]

30 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Not on a VPN, just not logged into Facebook.  They've obviously set it up assuming you are - not a good idea if you're using open accounts that anyone can browse for communication.

Still it saves us all from the sight of Howie in his nightshirt (Gef will be sad).

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Edited November 11, 2020 by The Dog's Dangly Bits

[The Dog's Dangly Bits]

31 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Not on a VPN, just not logged into Facebook.  They've obviously set it up assuming you are - not a good idea if you're using open accounts that anyone can browse for communication.

Still it saves us all from the sight of Howie in his nightshirt (Gef will be sad).

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Edited November 11, 2020 by The Dog's Dangly Bits

[The Dog's Dangly Bits]

30 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

Not on a VPN, just not logged into Facebook.  They've obviously set it up assuming you are - not a good idea if you're using open accounts that anyone can browse for communication.

Still it saves us all from the sight of Howie in his nightshirt (Gef will be sad).

You're wrong. In a nut shell.

[Roger Mexico]

The official press release, shown in full by Manx Radio among others is quick to claim  they "do not count as community transmission as defined by the World Health Organisation."

But this seems to be disingenuous at best, because if you look at this definition from WHO:

Community transmission: Countries/area/territories experiencing larger outbreaks of local transmission defined through an assessment of factors including, but not limited to:

- Large numbers of cases not linkable to transmission chains

- Large numbers of cases from sentinel lab surveillance

- Multiple unrelated clusters in several areas of the country/territory/area

It's clear that this is about the level that the infection is at a country level - not how you define how any individual case was acquired. 

[thesultanofsheight]

Looks like even the best are confused 

[Out of the blue]

7 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

The official press release, shown in full by Manx Radio among others is quick to claim  they "do not count as community transmission as defined by the World Health Organisation."

But this seems to be disingenuous at best, because if you look at this definition from WHO:

Community transmission: Countries/area/territories experiencing larger outbreaks of local transmission defined through an assessment of factors including, but not limited to:

- Large numbers of cases not linkable to transmission chains

- Large numbers of cases from sentinel lab surveillance

- Multiple unrelated clusters in several areas of the country/territory/area

It's clear that this is about the level that the infection is at a country level - not how you define how any individual case was acquired. 

I understand and agree with your specific point, however it would appear that our government has used the above WHO factors as a guide when classifying 'Manx' community transmission, which is entirely understandable given the WHO did not write definitions that align to a small self governing island like ours, and as such I would concur with Ashford and Co, that we still do not have community transmission. It is all a mute point however, because as I said earlier, as long as long as it remains traceable there is no issue.

[quilp]

I got to wondering about vaccines, and whether those who had been vaccinated were, or could be infectious to others if they'd come into contact with a carrier, whether that carrier was asymptomatic or not. Seems likely that it could be the case. Something else not known about Covid vaccination recipients. Maybe @rachomics or @wrighty

could provide some detail..? 

[Banker]

No one believes anything Howie comes out with , his constant refusal to publish advice on borders policy is a disgrace . Now he’s changing definitions to suit his blinkered view that IOM is COVID free as no community transmission and using that as excuse to ban Manx family members from visiting IOM.