Banker Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Sounds like we’re still going for the impossible dream which hasn’t and won’t work! https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/iom-still-adopting-eradication-policy-allinson/?fbclid=IwAR2rxqAafRxKxxs05tlXySC8NAnJBxPQjtWI3IqxoSkQoF93l5Qlua-Tn5g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Well the problem really is that the words "community case" will invoke irrational melt down of many people. Possibly more importantly many companies will panic (,(we saw this with Zurich etc recently) and send everyone back to working from home. Causing further unnecessary damage to the economy. I would much prefer we were not told the truth really. It's only going to escalate numbers wise in the coming month as students return. I'll be surprised if the whole household isn't forced into isolation for returning students. Many finance sector companies have that policy anyway (keeping you away from work for two weeks if you have someone returning from the uk) so the only real challenge with that is key workers (and those who cannot work from home) on island i would imagine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: Well the problem really is that the words "community case" will invoke irrational melt down of many people. Possibly more importantly many companies will panic (,(we saw this with Zurich etc recently) and send everyone back to working from home. Causing further unnecessary damage to the economy. I would much prefer we were not told the truth really. It's only going to escalate numbers wise in the coming month as students return. I'll be surprised if the whole household isn't forced into isolation for returning students. Many finance sector companies have that policy anyway (keeping you away from work for two weeks if you have someone returning from the uk) so the only real challenge with that is key workers (and those who cannot work from home) on island i would imagine. I agree with much of this other than having the truth held back. Be careful what you wish for. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Nom de plume said: I agree with much of this other than having the truth held back. Be careful what you wish for. I agree trying to stop the nutters melting down is no excuse for not telling the public the truth. But the strategy being adopted makes it clear that calming the Facebook Karen’s down is the overriding objective and strategy of our government. It has been from the start leading to a huge perceived lack of honesty from those who understand the issues and just want to be kept informed so they can best manage their own risks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 The amount of paranoid nutters government are having to deal with over this must be enormously time consuming. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) When did the policy shift from virus mitigation to eradication as Dr. Allinson gently slipped in yesterday on the radio? Edited November 12, 2020 by Nom de plume 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesultanofsheight Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) Many people who have managed their own risks right from the start of this just want to be told the truth so they can take the best action in order to continue to manage their own risks. It’s the same argument as testing. If we still had testing outputs and data from the 7 Day testing that was withdrawn people could decide whether to take that business trip, or take their kid back to Uni, based on the published transmission patterns from people who had visited U.K hotspots and tested positive or negative. But all of that has been denied Manx residents in favour of this eradication policy and suppressing information so people can’t make informed choices. When you can’t make informed choices you just have to accept the enforced belief that you can’t go anywhere and the can’t do anything as you might die of covid and you might bring covid back which will kill people. It’s all nonsense to be honest. Informed choice based on clear published scientific outputs was always the best way to go rather than living in a culture of manufactured fear and misinformation (or no information at all in many cases). It actually feeds the Facebook crazies more by removing actual facts to push back on them with. Edited November 12, 2020 by thesultanofsheight 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 You have to respect Allinson for tempering the mood with his 'not if but when' and confirming the COMIN strategy of overall eradication. I suspect he is but the first domino of the factions and splits forming in Tynwald & COMIN. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetchtyke Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) A community case is where you don't know where you caught it, and hadn't travelled, as happened in Guernsey. It's been said as clearly as can be that the two positives are closely linked (household members) of someone who was positive after catching it in England. If those two accidentally spread it in Tesco and a random person catches it, that's a community case. The deniers can put their pitchforks back in the shed. Edited November 12, 2020 by tetchtyke 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTailT Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, tetchtyke said: A community case is where you don't know where you caught it, and hadn't travelled, as happened in Guernsey. It's been said as clearly as can be that the two positives are closely linked (household members) of someone who was positive after catching it in England. If those two accidentally spread it in Tesco and a random person catches it, that's a community case. The deniers can put their pitchforks back in the shed. I don't believe it to be of same household. But if it is - or is portrayed to be such - you can foresee this being a catalyst for Howard to get things tightened up in his infinite wisdom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 9 hours ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: Given what I have heard about this little group of cases and how things are being run up at Noble's the senior hospital management will have a lot of questions to answer over the upcoming days. I agree but the answers will not be put in the public domain I'll wager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: Many finance sector companies have that policy anyway (keeping you away from work for two weeks if you have someone returning from the uk) It's not only the responsible thing to do ahead of vaccinations next year, it also makes sense from a business perspective. 1 hour ago, The Dog's Dangly Bits said: send everyone back to working from home. Causing further unnecessary damage to the economy. Many people will work from home much more even after this thing is over. There are lots of positives - including people often being able to get more hours out of the working day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 The WHO 'technical definition' is quite vague really: "- Community transmission: Countries/area/territories experiencing larger outbreaks of local transmission defined through an assessment of factors including, but not limited to: - Large numbers of cases not linkable to transmission chains - Large numbers of cases from sentinel lab surveillance - Multiple unrelated clusters in several areas of the country/territory/area." But this was identified through contact tracing, and all apparently came from a traveler. The real question to ask is - is anyone in that contact tracing chain being protected from prosecution for breaching the rules this time? And if so - why? There may be a legitimate reason for that such as a child or a less able person inadvertently breaching the rules? Even if there was a 'legitimate or non-prosecutable excuse', it is highly likely that data protection concerns would be used to maintain the invisibility of that source of infection. So technically the government here are hiding behind the definition of community spread - but should also reassure us that no one is avoiding prosecution in this case - something on which they have previous form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 11 hours ago, thesultanofsheight said: 11 hours ago, Boris Johnson said: Don't like the look of this, worth a quick read. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-54906644 Giving those clowns more power is not a good idea. Considering our Minister for Policy and Reform is a total bell-end that’s worrying. Where was the public debate around this? This is a a worrying development. Do you think they know something we don't ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog's Dangly Bits Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 40 minutes ago, NoTailT said: I don't believe it to be of same household. But if it is - or is portrayed to be such - you can foresee this being a catalyst for Howard to get things tightened up in his infinite wisdom. It doesn't matter what he wants. COMIN decide. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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