IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Cambon]

12 hours ago, Banker said:

And the pensioners are the richest, should be free for all or all pay according to means and this should be applied to prescription & tv license 

No. Prescriptions should be free, and the TV license banned! 

[Cambon]

1 hour ago, Lxxx said:

Most cases in the community will be over and done with without anyone knowing. It's the season of colds, sniffles and flu so without testing the whole island, which is unnecessary, and without people burdening the health service just to find out which strand of the coronavirus family is responsible for their cough, we could get through the winter without too much of a fuss. 

That is true, but also the new family isolation came in last Thursday so things like the juror issue should not happen. 

[Lxxx]

1 minute ago, Cambon said:

That is true, but also the new family isolation came in last Thursday so things like the juror issue should not happen. 

Of course they should. and will, happen. We can't keep nature at bay forever and nor should we want to.

[Cambon]

On 11/19/2020 at 4:59 PM, Banker said:

Who mentioned  Jersey ? I quoted Guernsey plans & testing, another Karen!!

So, you understand that Guernsey are even more restrictive than IOM? Yes, family and friends can visit. But, they must isolate for 14 days, or until they leave. Now here is the big thing. They test you on arrival. If you test positive, you must isolate until you test negative on day 14 or after. Until you test negative you cannot travel. So the only friends and family travelling there are going for the long term, and are few and far between. 

[Lxxx]

2 minutes ago, Cambon said:

So, you understand that Guernsey are even more restrictive than IOM? Yes, family and friends can visit. But, they must isolate for 14 days, or until they leave. Now here is the big thing. They test you on arrival. If you test positive, you must isolate until you test negative on day 14 or after. Until you test negative you cannot travel. So the only friends and family travelling there are going for the long term, and are few and far between. 

Can't see the point in that level of testing. Our current system is far more sensible.

[Boris Johnson]

I have  totally lost faith in what they are telling us now, I am sure I am not the only one.

A thought occurred to me  this week re "spin" - In the UK the special advisers, PR and the like are employed by the political parties AFAIK. On the island they have lots of PR people who are civil servants. None of the MHKs employ staff for this purpose from their own pockets.

If this is correct is this not a crazy, corrupt way of doing things? It is not impartial and it continues the stupid political situation we have evolved on the island where the MHKs are nothing more than spokesmen for the various departments CEOs.

Imagine being a minister, you sit at your desk and think you have to give a speech, lot of work writing one of them you think but hey-ho, in comes the PR person with a ready made speech, what do you do? 

Is this what we have got here? It really is a waste of time being an MHK or voting for one now.

It is not a democracy but a giant public funded spin machine.

Edited November 21, 2020 by Boris Johnson

[Lxxx]

1 minute ago, Boris Johnson said:

I have  totally lost faith in what they are telling us now, I am sure I am not the only one.

A thought occurred to me  this week re "spin" - In the UK the special advisers, PR and the like are employed by the political parties AFAIK. On the island they have lots of PR people who are civil servants. None of the MHKs employ staff for this purpose from their own pockets.

If this is correct is this not a crazy, corrupt way of doing things? It is not impartial and it continues the stupid political situation we have evolved on the island where the MHKs are nothing more than spokesmen for the various departments CEOs.

Imagine being a minister, you sit at your desk and think you have to give a speech, lot of work writing one of them you think but hey-ho, in comes the PR person with a ready made speech what do you do? 

Is this what we have got here? It really is a waste of time being an MHK or voting for one now.

It is not a democracy but a giant public funded spin machine.

Welcome to reality.

[Banker]

4 hours ago, Cambon said:

So, you understand that Guernsey are even more restrictive than IOM? Yes, family and friends can visit. But, they must isolate for 14 days, or until they leave. Now here is the big thing. They test you on arrival. If you test positive, you must isolate until you test negative on day 14 or after. Until you test negative you cannot travel. So the only friends and family travelling there are going for the long term, and are few and far between. 

Testing on arrival is voluntary so you just don’t bother and do 14 days, mandatory for key workers though .

the testing on arrival will become more relevant under their traffic light system when cases fall in uk to the laid down levels, think 100 in 100k got 7 days .

Edited November 21, 2020 by Banker

[Roger Mexico]

3 hours ago, Boris Johnson said:

A thought occurred to me  this week re "spin" - In the UK the special advisers, PR and the like are employed by the political parties AFAIK. .

No they're not, they're mostly paid for by the taxpayer.  For the government, special advisers are appointed by the Ministers personally to assist them, but are paid as civil servants from the public purse. Departmental PR people and so on are civil servants, but they are often appointed under the influence of politicians.

For opposition parties, SpAds etc are also paid for from parliamentary costs through a mechanism called Short Money.  And MPs of all parties also claim for staff members they employ was well, some of whom will be engaged in this sort of work.

Of course political parties also employ people directly as well, but most of those you hear about aren't.

[Barlow]

A question needs to be asked in The House as to how much is spent on PR etc. And compare this with 5 years ago and 20 years ago.

[Roger Mexico]

5 hours ago, Lxxx said:

Most cases in the community will be over and done with without anyone knowing. It's the season of colds, sniffles and flu so without testing the whole island, which is unnecessary, and without people burdening the health service just to find out which strand of the coronavirus family is responsible for their cough, we could get through the winter without too much of a fuss. 

So if you pretend really hard it isn't here it will go away because you are a terribly important person?  Are you sure your name's not Howard?

This dangerous magical thinking again.  If Covid does get out into the community we will find out it pretty quickly and refusing to test till every hospital bed is full isn't going to make it vanish.  It's possible that you will get the odd case that gets passed on to no one, but given the lack of measures to restrict spread in place on the Island, not only is wide  transmission possible, it's very likely. 

And when more and more people get Covid-like symptoms they will want to be tested.  Testing the whole Island would indeed be pointless, but testing those with symptoms is happening already and we should be testing close contacts more (and repeatedly).

 

[Boris Johnson]

1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said:

No they're not, they're mostly paid for by the taxpayer.  For the government, special advisers are appointed by the Ministers personally to assist them, but are paid as civil servants from the public purse. Departmental PR people and so on are civil servants, but they are often appointed under the influence of politicians.

For opposition parties, SpAds etc are also paid for from parliamentary costs through a mechanism called Short Money.  And MPs of all parties also claim for staff members they employ was well, some of whom will be engaged in this sort of work.

Of course political parties also employ people directly as well, but most of those you hear about aren't.

Fair enough but in the UK the MPs have the weight of their party behind them to stand up the CS. Here we have CS dictating policy and then writing the speeches for the MHKs.

Its a very sick system we have evolved and it does not work other than for the top end CS. Who remember are not that great as even though they are paid 120-150k that is not a lot in comparison to UK equivalents.

So to top it all we are dictated to by second rate CS.......................

[Utah 01]

5 hours ago, Boris Johnson said:

It is not a democracy but a giant public funded spin machine.

Kerchang!  The penny has dropped.  Were it not for the fact we live so far from the tropics we could justifiably label the Isle of Man' political system as that of a 'banana republic'.

[Scotty]

1 minute ago, Utah 01 said:

Kerchang!  The penny has dropped.  Were it not for the fact we live so far from the tropics we could justifiably label the Isle of Man' political system as that of a 'banana republic'.

Kipper Republic ?

[Roger Mexico]

11 minutes ago, Roxanne said:

Whatever they’re paying, it’s not working. 

You're misunderstanding what all those 'communications professionals' are actually paid for.  They aren't there to communicate with the public, they're there to surround the politicians and their puppet-masters in a warm bath of PR slop to make them feel good about themselves and terribly hard-done-by. 

That's why Quayle has hissy-fits when the media asks him impertinent questions.  They see the job of the media as being to reflect their own wonderfulness back to them and nothing else.  Admittedly if you look at the UK, you can see where they got that idea from.