Cambon Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 hours ago, All Right said: It’s the most heartless policy going though and it’s resulting in a lot of people deciding to move back to the UK fir family reasons. Teachers particularly i here won’t entertain coming across to work as it means no family visits. Guernsey managed to keep everything under control and allowed people born there or who had families there to visit. This government seems to have no strategy at all. If it’s not locking things down or stopping people from doing stuff then it hasn’t really got a clue. Yes Guernsey are allowing family to visit, subject to test on arrival and 14 days isolation. If you test positive, you cannot travel until you test negative. So the Idea that families are travelling to Guernsey for the odd weekend is false. With regard to manx born people who have chosen to move away, that is their choice. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Cambon said: Yes Guernsey are allowing family to visit, subject to test on arrival and 14 days isolation. If you test positive, you cannot travel until you test negative. So the Idea that families are travelling to Guernsey for the odd weekend is false. With regard to manx born people who have chosen to move away, that is their choice. Who said anything about weekend other than you? As I said previously you obviously work in cabinet office & have family here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 5 hours ago, Banker said: Not sure if that’s correct about uk arrivals as countries like Spain, France , Italy & others all have higher rates than uk which does seem to be falling particularly in Liverpool area Only Italy of those is currently higher, the rest are about the same, though you need to be careful as these figures are both retrospective and vulnerable to differing testing regimes. The point is that quarantining only makes a difference in an effectively low-Covid environment or one with a strict lockdown (which the UK one isn't). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetchtyke Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Andy Onchan said: For the purposes of COVID, when is a Manx resident not a Manx resident? Your only or principal home must be on the Isle of Man. Students are specifically stated in the regulations as being treated as Manx residents. Otherwise, if you've moved to London to seek your fortune then you are not a Manx resident. Edited November 24, 2020 by tetchtyke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, tetchtyke said: Your only or principal home must be on the Isle of Man. Yes if you state this on form you’re in!! However I know of some who only live here 2/3 months of year but stated this as main residence and have been here since august 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTail Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Banker said: Yes if you state this on form you’re in!! However I know of some who only live here 2/3 months of year but stated this as main residence and have been here since august They probably also tell the tax man that they live here 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetchtyke Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 29 minutes ago, Banker said: Yes if you state this on form you’re in!! However I know of some who only live here 2/3 months of year but stated this as main residence and have been here since august Only or principal home, so if they have lots of houses then they may meet the criteria. Also if they're resident here for tax. Or they might have lied. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, tetchtyke said: Or they might have lied. No,No,No, - people would never do that. Not here they wouldn't.😱 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 7 hours ago, Banker said: Where’s the risk if anyone who visits is quarantined anyway? The current 10 infected all are 'said' to have come from isolators! The Xmas returns can only increase that problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just as an aside, I wonder what the figures are on the island for excess deaths and how it compares with UK figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Banker said: Yes if you state this on form you’re in!! However I know of some who only live here 2/3 months of year but stated this as main residence and have been here since august Remember that property ownership qualifies you as well. So it doesn't have to be your main residence, providing you own it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetchtyke Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Remember that property ownership qualifies you as well. So it doesn't have to be your main residence, providing you own it. No, it has to be only or principal residence. Second/holiday home owners do not count as Manx residents. Some may apply as Manx residents, but they shouldn't, because they're not. New owners have to show they're buying a property and that the intention is for it to become their main home. In reality it's bloody hard for the government to check if it's a second home, unless someone snitches, as they'll have all the usual ID (rates bill, deeds, utility bill, etc) when asked. But second home owners shouldn't be getting treated as Manx residents for Covid rules because they're not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Right Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 31 minutes ago, tetchtyke said: In reality it's bloody hard for the government to check if it's a second home, unless someone snitches, as they'll have all the usual ID (rates bill, deeds, utility bill, etc) when asked. But second home owners shouldn't be getting treated as Manx residents for Covid rules because they're not. It isn’t really. I know someone who ‘returned’ whose house here had been let out for at least 10 years prior to covid. I’d have thought it would be pretty easy for government to prove it wasn’t their main residence as someone else had been living in it for at least 5 years paying them rent which they were taxed on while they lived in the UK. At the same time we’re barring Manx born people from coming back because they weren’t rich enough to buy a house before they had to leave. It doesn’t stack up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 I think there are more important aspects of Lockdown/restrictions/border closures to concentrate on than second home owners!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, Kopek said: I think there are more important aspects of Lockdown/restrictions/border closures to concentrate on than second home owners!!! Its the first time I have seen Manx people trying to stop others from climbing INTO the basket............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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