Banker Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: The lateral flow tests aren't nearly as accurate are they? They might be good enough for a 'you've definitely got it, you're not getting on the boat', but not for allowing people out and about. I don’t know how accurate they are hence question, UK are also using to test close call contacts of positive people so they don’t need to isolate. these tests do seem to be driving down rates in areas like Liverpool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 3 hours ago, John Wright said: Last known outbreak was April 1920, either immunity had grown to sufficient levels to stop spread ( 500 million out of total word population of 1,500 million infected in two years ) or it had mutated to be less infectious and dangerous. More likely to be a combination. What would anyone be vaccinated against a non existent flu? And if it did come back then the flu vaccine, which is changed annually to make it effective against the flu types most widely circulating, would be changed to include it. When was the last outbreak reported? Where? in what circumstances? This I should exactly my point. In roughly two years the Spanish flu basically died out without a vaccine. This will do the same. However, we may have the opportunity to vaccinate the most vulnerable very soon. There is no point in vaccinating everyone. Mandatory vaccination of everyone is totally unnecessary. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Howie saying you can get private COVID test for travel purposes here via 111 and cost is £ 50 so one bit of good news . Also borders can’t stay closed indefinitely and he will review after he has Xmas with his family! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 'Jingle bells jingle bells' 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parallax Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Absolutely fantastic tactics from Quayle and Ashford at today’s briefing. They literally made the Director of Public Health stand there and answer questions with Ashford literally buggering off and leaving her on the podium in a very uncomfortable way. Looks like they’re fed up of her getting an easy ride for her £100k plus a year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachomics Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 52 minutes ago, Banker said: I don’t know how accurate they are hence question, UK are also using to test close call contacts of positive people so they don’t need to isolate. these tests do seem to be driving down rates in areas like Liverpool You have to be very high viral load for these to test positive (technical term: riddled with it). They're a poor alternative to PCR testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachomics Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Banker said: Howie saying you can get private COVID test for travel purposes here via 111 and cost is £ 50 so one bit of good news . Also borders can’t stay closed indefinitely and he will review after he has Xmas with his family! The thing that's going to be interesting is how many of the private COVID test certificates from the hospital will be valid at various borders around the world. Most of the countries (as far as I can tell) want to see that the lab is ISO accredited on the certificate. Edited November 26, 2020 by rachomics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) great that you can (potentially) get a piece of paper to wave upon entry to another country, however the 14 day isolation on return prohibits me from going anywhere (when i melt i go whether i want to or not) Edited November 26, 2020 by snowman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worlds-greatest-manxman Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, rachomics said: Most of the countries (as far as I can tell) want to see that the lab is ISO accredited on the certificate. Was a heart warming festive sermon from Howie, but poor Tiny Tim grimacing throughout rather took the shine off then in steps the Grinch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Cambon said: This I should exactly my point. In roughly two years the Spanish flu basically died out without a vaccine. This will do the same. However, we may have the opportunity to vaccinate the most vulnerable very soon. There is no point in vaccinating everyone. Mandatory vaccination of everyone is totally unnecessary. Not buying your reinterpretation of what you say you said. What does “it’s still out there” mean in relation to Spanish flu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 27 minutes ago, rachomics said: The thing that's going to be interesting is how many of the private COVID test certificates from the hospital will be valid at various borders around the world. Most of the countries (as far as I can tell) want to see that the lab is ISO accredited on the certificate. That was my initial reaction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, John Wright said: Not buying your reinterpretation of what you say you said. What does “it’s still out there” mean in relation to Spanish flu? I think he’s got a dose of Spanish flu or something 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) The hospital is becoming swamped, non urgent elective orthopaedic treatment is put on hold. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/temporary-halt-on-non-urgent-elective-orthopaedic-operations/?fbclid=IwAR1gax_naRXjBS2sJo5sZDahG4mZ-bMgmZfqoVAnHfGPO2YkRNJ_MQllcBI Are we experiencing something unusual other than waiting for Covid-19 to hit us again? Edited November 26, 2020 by Max Power 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsmeee Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Banker said: Is there a reason we can’t use the rapid testing described below being used in UK to try & ease travel restrictions? Tier-three areas will be eligible for rapid or "lateral flow" coronavirus tests - which give results in about 20 minutes without the need for a lab - to help bring down infections and reduce restrictions Yes. We would lose our Covid free gold star if we started doing any of those nasty tests. Far better to stick our fingers in our ears, sing Jingle Bells twice and hide behind the closed border until the nasty virus goes away. Edited November 26, 2020 by Itsmeee 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenFairfax Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, Max Power said: The hospital is becoming swamped, non urgent elective orthopaedic treatment is put on hold. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/temporary-halt-on-non-urgent-elective-orthopaedic-operations/?fbclid=IwAR1gax_naRXjBS2sJo5sZDahG4mZ-bMgmZfqoVAnHfGPO2YkRNJ_MQllcBI Are we experiencing something unusual other than waiting for Covid-19 to hit us again? May be as simple as less granny's off the Spain this winter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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