IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Lagman]

2 minutes ago, Banker said:

Any reason why our experts are not allowing families to visit when Guernsey which is in same or better position than us allows families & friends to visit as long as they isolate?

Ask this guy - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/15/man-who-rode-jetski-from-scotland-to-isle-of-man-to-see-girlfriend-jailed-for-covid-breach

[Nom de plume]

6 minutes ago, wrighty said:

Given the uk is as bad as anywhere in the world there’s really little point in returning travellers quarantining any more than anybody else. Our situation is not comparable. If the UK experts were making the rules here, now, they’d be saying the same as us. 

Have to strongly disagree.

The UK NHS is at a tipping point. That is what we are being told - in fact the message is being constantly forced down people’s throats.

The experts are allowing a 5 day negative test & release from Q.

You can’t have it all ways.

We’re either following advice from the experts or we’re not. Or you obviously consider Mr. Quayle & Mr. Ashford to be leading lights in epidemiology.

[Flyingfemme]

The UK NHS is at this point every year in the winter.

[Declan]

27 minutes ago, John Wright said:

He tested negative before leaving Scotland and was tested on arrest (before court ). So not a remote possibility.

 

In the movie version, to maintain the audience's sympathy, they'd have to show him isolating for two weeks in a bothy, in a snowstorm, surviving only on Kendal Mint Cake and Pot Noddle, before the jetski ride.

[wrighty]

49 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

Have to strongly disagree.

The UK NHS is at a tipping point. That is what we are being told - in fact the message is being constantly forced down people’s throats.

The experts are allowing a 5 day negative test & release from Q.

You can’t have it all ways.

We’re either following advice from the experts or we’re not. Or you obviously consider Mr. Quayle & Mr. Ashford to be leading lights in epidemiology.

It's perfectly reasonable that if you're in a zero community covid location, like here, that arrivals need to quarantine to protect the population.  If you're in a community where it is rife, like the UK, there is little point in enforcing isolation on arrivals from places which have a similar prevalence.  You don't need to be a leading light in epidemiology to understand that, surely?

[Gladys]

1 hour ago, Lagman said:

Hmmn, we went from one covid case to four over the weekend -

https://covid19.gov.im/general-information/latest-updates/

 - without saying (they often do say) where the three new cases came from.

They might not have anything to do with it but then again, if some of the story is true it could be the guy, the girl and maybe an occupant of the house (perhaps a child?) if he was staying with her.

If she really was unaware he hadn't isolated, that could be her family having to isolate over Christmas now.

Hardly likely given they are only testing those with symptoms and he arrived at 1 pm in Friday, so they would have to have developed symptoms over the weekend and been tested yesterday or Sunday.  Unless of course our track and test identified them on Sunday (when he was arrested) and they were tested immediately. 

[Lagman]

4 minutes ago, wrighty said:

It's perfectly reasonable that if you're in a zero community covid location, like here, that arrivals need to quarantine to protect the population.  If you're in a community where it is rife, like the UK, there is little point in enforcing isolation on arrivals from places which have a similar prevalence.  You don't need to be a leading light in epidemiology to understand that, surely?

Any thoughts on the new strain in the UK? - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55308211

https://news.sky.com/story/new-variant-of-coronavirus-identified-in-uk-health-secretary-says-12161416

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-pfizer-oxford-vaccine-london-covid-tiers-cases/

[Roger Mexico]

1 hour ago, Lagman said:

Hmmn, we went from one covid case to four over the weekend -

https://covid19.gov.im/general-information/latest-updates/

 - without saying (they often do say) where the three new cases came from.

Actually they did say in the news release:

Three new cases of COVID-19 have been detected in the Isle of Man. 

All three individuals were already self-isolating having travelled to the Island. Their period of isolation has now been extended by a further 14 days. 

Contact tracing has been completed. 

The number of active cases on the Island is four.

So these cases look to be unconnected with the roofer on the jet ski.

[Nom de plume]

9 minutes ago, wrighty said:

It's perfectly reasonable that if you're in a zero community covid location, like here, that arrivals need to quarantine to protect the population.  If you're in a community where it is rife, like the UK, there is little point in enforcing isolation on arrivals from places which have a similar prevalence.  You don't need to be a leading light in epidemiology to understand that, surely?

I think I’d listen to Witty, Valance & JVT.

If they believe the risk is negligible then so do I.

[Lagman]

8 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Hardly likely given they are only testing those with symptoms and he arrived at 1 pm in Friday, so they would have to have developed symptoms over the weekend and been tested yesterday or Sunday.  Unless of course our track and test identified them on Sunday (when he was arrested) and they were tested immediately. 

 

4 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

So these cases look to be unconnected with the roofer on the jet ski.

Yes it would seem to be so, some of the information wasn't included where I read the story.

[wrighty]

10 minutes ago, Nom de plume said:

I think I’d listen to Witty, Valance & JVT.

If they believe the risk is negligible then so do I.

It's a negligible increase in risk in the UK.  Not here.  Do you not understand that, or are you being deliberately obtuse trying to further your re-open IOM obsession?

[Banker]

1 hour ago, Lagman said:

Ask this guy - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/15/man-who-rode-jetski-from-scotland-to-isle-of-man-to-see-girlfriend-jailed-for-covid-breach

Well if he’s the expert you & Howie turn to then it’s no surprise we don’t have a plan!!

[Gladys]

7 minutes ago, Lagman said:

 

Yes it would seem to be so, some of the information wasn't included where I read the story.

Started to worry that you had turned into one of those paranoid dafties who want to attribute every positive case to someone who broke the rules.  In fact, it seems most cases have come from necessary travel and have been identified while the traveller has been responsibly isolating. 

[wrighty]

22 minutes ago, Lagman said:

Any thoughts on the new strain in the UK? - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55308211

https://news.sky.com/story/new-variant-of-coronavirus-identified-in-uk-health-secretary-says-12161416

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-pfizer-oxford-vaccine-london-covid-tiers-cases/

New strains emerge all the time.  The cynic in me thought that in the NE and Merseyside the government were demonising the people for going out and partying too much, but when it happens in the Home Counties there's suddenly a new strain that's responsible for an uptick in infection.

[Lagman]

2 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Started to worry that you had turned into one of those paranoid dafties who want to attribute every positive case to someone who broke the rules.  In fact, it seems most cases have come from necessary travel and have been identified while the traveller has been responsibly isolating. 

Probably just a coincidence of timing. Also probably just Uni students returning.