The Old Git Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, LightBulb said: You could say the same about traveling to the Moon ? No, but I've had owned boats before and done similar trips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 hours ago, wrighty said: Not really relevant to this thread. Don’t want it to become another FB. The past few days have been little else apart from it, and seem to continue to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 We need to get this in perspective, and although any trip could be dangerous it's not as if he swam it. That would have been a mighty triathlon with the walk over the mountain/coast road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Nom de plume said: I was (am) a proponent of a Jersey ‘styled’ model. They clearly have made huge mistakes regarding their testing regime but more so an effective track & trace model. What has puzzled me throughout this entire pandemic is that the statistics clearly indicate you really are not at risk under the age of 75 (that is developing life threatening symptoms). There are anomalies of course, as there are with a multitude of other viruses / illnesses. Why then were the high risk groups not asked to fully shield and isolate rather than the entire tax paying working population? Testing was developed quickly, PPE available. Care homes could have been bubbles. I still don’t buy the NHS can’t cope. Anyway ... I’ve felt like this from the outset - I won’t be changed. Just gotta roll with the fear and hardships that are coming. Most of this, except the age is 60 not 75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cambon said: Most of this, except the age is 60 not 75 Average age of U.K. Deaths from Covid is 80 and I think 81 in Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, The Old Git said: No, but I've had owned boats before and done similar trips. But our intrepid hero hasn't, has he? It is not whether a knowledgeable and seasoned sailor could do it, but if someone with little or no experience could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Banker said: Average age of U.K. Deaths from Covid is 80 and I think 81 in Italy Yes, but something like 95% are over 60. If you are under that you are pretty safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Cambon said: Most of this, except the age is 60 not 75 But high risk groups were asked to shield. Immediately. I got three letters in March and I’ve had three since, changing emphasis. How do you shield care home residents, unless you lock staff in with them, even with adequate PPE - which there wasn’t to start with. We are learning, week by week. The west had pandemic planning, but over the years had closed isolation hospitals, reduced hospital staffing and beds to industrial production JiT modelling. Closing borders quicker, testing, testing, and more testing, working track & trace, would all have helped. Or total brutal lockdown like in Wuhan. Instead we have the spectacle of the debacle in the land of the free at one end of the spectrum and totalitarian lock down at the other, with extremes like Islands towards one end and Sweden at the other. That being said there hasn’t been an appetite, politically, to obtain and read and act on the science, here or IOM. Im all in favour of personal freedom to risk assess for myself within the structures and limits imposed. I hope we get entry testing and 10 days. Although if we did I wouldn’t test at 10 days. I’d stick out the extra 4. I took the same view at 7 day testing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, Gladys said: But our intrepid hero hasn't, has he? It is not whether a knowledgeable and seasoned sailor could do it, but if someone with little or no experience could. That’s the thing Would I do it in a yacht that’s effected by wind and tides, with no experience? No Would I do it on a Jetski 🤷🏻♂️Not now at my age Would I do it in a RIB with plenty of power. Nor really a problem. My first jetski experience was over 30 years ago in Bodrum, Turkey. Far different conditions, but the owner of the business was going mental because some tourist had hired one and effed of to Kos, Greece, on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 35 minutes ago, John Wright said: But high risk groups were asked to shield. Immediately. I got three letters in March and I’ve had three since, changing emphasis. How do you shield care home residents, unless you lock staff in with them, even with adequate PPE - which there wasn’t to start with. We are learning, week by week. The west had pandemic planning, but over the years had closed isolation hospitals, reduced hospital staffing and beds to industrial production JiT modelling. Closing borders quicker, testing, testing, and more testing, working track & trace, would all have helped. Or total brutal lockdown like in Wuhan. Instead we have the spectacle of the debacle in the land of the free at one end of the spectrum and totalitarian lock down at the other, with extremes like Islands towards one end and Sweden at the other. That being said there hasn’t been an appetite, politically, to obtain and read and act on the science, here or IOM. Im all in favour of personal freedom to risk assess for myself within the structures and limits imposed. I hope we get entry testing and 10 days. Although if we did I wouldn’t test at 10 days. I’d stick out the extra 4. I took the same view at 7 day testing. We did the 7 days testing as worth risk for extra 7 days out. The 10 days testing is probably not worth the risk for 4 days given you now have 1 hours exercise outside per day and definitely not if you have to pay!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I wouldn't do the ten day test. Not worth it as your 14 days is really about 12 1/2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymann Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, Cambon said: I wouldn't do the ten day test. Not worth it as your 14 days is really about 12 1/2. Especially now they're not going to be doing what I'd call 'the @rachomics test' as they now have a higher chance of false readings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, Cambon said: I wouldn't do the ten day test. Not worth it as your 14 days is really about 12 1/2. The minimum is 12 days 18 hours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meoir Shee Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Swedish model under fire. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55347021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 38 minutes ago, jaymann said: Especially now they're not going to be doing what I'd call 'the @rachomics test' as they now have a higher chance of false readings. You got a link that confirms that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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