Non-Believer Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Just now, HeliX said: I think this is a bit unfair. Had they held onto the news instead people would be complaining that they didn't inform the public asap. No. Back and arse-covering. All the way. Experienced old hands at it. If this is a mass infection expect the credit for the clear spell to run right up up to 11.45, 31 12 20. Gongs can then be safely awarded. I'm sorry to admit it, but I've worked within the system. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: No. Back and arse-covering. All the way. Experienced old hands at it. If this is a mass infection expect the credit for the clear spell to run right up up to 11.45, 31 12 20. Gongs can then be safely awarded. I'm sorry to admit it, but I've worked within the system. But what would you prefer? That they had waited to tell us? Dangerous. Clearly if they knew earlier they should have told us earlier, but without more info it's hard to know if that was the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, HeliX said: But what would you prefer? That they had waited to tell us? Dangerous. Clearly if they knew earlier they should have told us earlier, but without more info it's hard to know if that was the case. The only way such a POTENTIAL infection could have got in is via failure of policy in allowing comings and goings through the island's borders and lack of enforcement of conditions. When it comes to responsibility, our people play the system via dates and times in the same way as lawyers interpret the law to defend clients (sorry, JW); it's all about loopholes. If the shit has hit the fan, none of them will want to admit. Sorry to appear so critical. I've been in a few packed pubs/clubs in the jewel of the North tonight. Given the crowding and mixing there alone, IF it is over here, look out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Just now, Non-Believer said: The only way such a POTENTIAL infection could have got in is via failure of policy in allowing comings and goings through the island's borders and lack of enforcement of conditions. It looks like the policy and isolation period was followed though. 14 days has always been a "99.something%" chance that anyone who was going to be positive would be positive. There was always a very small chance of it taking longer than that. It's likely happening all over the world in reasonable number that people are contagious after a 14 day period, but it doesn't make any difference in those places because they all have community cases anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 24 minutes ago, HeliX said: But what would you prefer? That they had waited to tell us? Dangerous. Clearly if they knew earlier they should have told us earlier, but without more info it's hard to know if that was the case. We'll never truly know. My best guess is contact tracing team probably contacted the Cafe/Chip shop as a priority as the staff may have been exposed to the virus (given its mostly a small/confined area) A post was dismissed and removed from a local Facebook group saying it looked like Covid may be back in the community on 30/12/20 so I think the wheels were already turning then but of course the squeaky wheel always gets the grease first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Just now, Annoymouse said: A post was dismissed and removed from a local Facebook group saying it looked like Covid may be back in the community on 30/12/20 To be fair those sorts of posts have been popping up for months. Maybe it was legitimate, but more likely it was a knock-off Nostradamus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Just now, HeliX said: It looks like the policy and isolation period was followed though. 14 days has always been a "99.something%" chance that anyone who was going to be positive would be positive. There was always a very small chance of it taking longer than that. It's likely happening all over the world in reasonable number that people are contagious after a 14 day period, but it doesn't make any difference in those places because they all have community cases anyway. With, with respect, doesn't help any situation over here. There's been enough reports of lackadaisical following up of isolation conditions, some reported on here. We probably haven't the personnel to even do it properly if we've allowed umpteen students, jetski pilots and Lord knows who else to "do their own thing" without checks. It's not been "hard" enough or policed enough, though I appreciate that there's umpteen pressures and angles to accommodate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, HeliX said: It looks like the policy and isolation period was followed though. 14 days has always been a "99.something%" chance that anyone who was going to be positive would be positive. There was always a very small chance of it taking longer than that. It's likely happening all over the world in reasonable number that people are contagious after a 14 day period, but it doesn't make any difference in those places because they all have community cases anyway. Well whoever the poor sod is who got Covid after 14 days now has to endure another 14 days of isolation and if they weren’t symptomatic they wouldn’t have been tested and we wouldn’t know anything about it. Makes you wonder how many others may have slipped the net previously, it was something of a ticking time bomb, we’ve been lucky up until now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: With, with respect, doesn't help any situation over here. There's been enough reports of lackadaisical following up of isolation conditions, some reported on here. We probably haven't the personnel to even do it properly if we've allowed umpteen students, jetski pilots and Lord knows who else to "do their own thing" without checks. It's not been "hard" enough or policed enough, though I appreciate that there's umpteen pressures and angles to accommodate. What's the total number who have been through the isolation process though? It must be pretty high. There's bound to be slip-ups. Interesting that this situation has arisen not from a slip-up though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Now is the time we are all glad we implemented a state of the art track and trace system months ago for when this situation inevitably occurred! At least we can sleep safe knowing that as soon as the positive test came back the system kicked in and everyone who is at risk immediately got a notification to their phone to isolate until further notice and so the risk is minimised. Hahaha. They have had months to put something in place that could have been the envy of the world. What do we have? So.eone gives rough times they might have been somewhere and they post those on social media with no way on earth of knowing who has been near the infected people. You couldn't make this up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, HeliX said: What's the total number who have been through the isolation process though? It must be pretty high. There's bound to be slip-ups. Interesting that this situation has arisen not from a slip-up though. We don't know that though - how many have had their isolation policed? It's been relying on goodwill and individual responsibility, which given the numbers is all it could be. Let alone infection possibility being beyond 14 days. What matters now is, is it now in here and can we properly track and trace? And it's not a good time of the year or a local public attitude for that to be thorough or successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatiotheturd Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Non-Believer said: We don't know that though - how many have had their isolation policed? It's been relying on goodwill and individual responsibility, which given the numbers is all it could be. Let alone infection possibility being beyond 14 days. What matters now is, is it now in here and can we properly track and trace? And it's not a good time of the year or a local public attitude for that to be thorough or successful. Can we track and trace? Nope. They didn't bother putting any sort of system in place at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yin & Yang Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Amazed at how the Illiam Dhone commemoration was called off because of Covid19, prior to this announcement!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: they should have introduced day 13 testing months ago as Dr Glover said. COMIN ... " Dr Glover...Pah what does she know " LOL 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I take it the new case wasn’t tested at 13 days before release from quarantine as done 14 days under old system, I thought everyone was now being tested no matter when they arrived? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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