rachomics Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: They’re using 1 hour LAMP tests aren’t they for the rapid tests? UK Gov reckons that has 79% accuracy and 100% specificity and “picks up those most likely to pass on an infection” Certainly when I was in charge of that kind of thing LAMP was the absolute last thing that would ever be put near the hospital lab. Only takes one fool to open the tube after the test and the whole lab would be contaminated and everyone would test positive for weeks. I would hope some of my expertise rubbed off in that they're not using LAMP up there. 1 hour ago, Nomadic Raptor said: Please can someone answer me this question......hypothetically if I came in contact with the person in 1886 and somehow they managed to pass it on to me. How long would it take for me to be infectious? Is it more than 5/6 days? If it’s less what’s the point of letting people know about this 5 or 6 days after as if they passed it on they could have passed it to someone else and it’s already too late? I assume because we haven’t had a huge spate of increase in cases this didn’t happen? Not the case, unfortunately. We all have different immune systems and different previous exposures to pathogens, which means we will all incubate the virus differently, even when exposed at the same time. One person might become asymptomatic and spread the virus with no symptoms. Another person might never develop the disease. Another person might become symptomatic at 5 days post-exposure. Another person might become symptomatic 16 days after exposure. This is one of the "unicorn tests" that I talked about in the YouTube presentation. A test for exposure is something we would all love to see but it will never exist (hence unicorn..). 2 hours ago, Gladys said: If only, as someone else said, we had that knowledge on island and how even more pleasing if they had their specialist education funded by the IOM Govt. Now, that would be very pleasing and a valuable return on the investment by our Dept of Ed. IoM Gov paid for my initial microbiology degree. UKGov paid for the MSc and PhD because I was working for them 2 hours ago, Boris Johnson said: A key worker? Really? How key, laying railway lines maybe? Laying rail lines for a horse tram or hobby rail set? The Key worker bullshit is just that, bullshit. They need to swallow their stupid pride, get Dr Glover back on side and start testing again with the very accurate test she developed. If policy is being decided on the results of tests that are not the best available then it is not worth bothering. This is serious shit. Howard Quayle, make that call to Dr Glover and be the bigger man, anything less and you may have blood on your hands. I'm not going to hold my breath and I truly don't expect them too. They were offered my services again and again and all that was required was legal agreements to cover the specifics. They wanted full liability with my company, I did not. They flounced and then did some rather dastardly things that now mean I'm paying lawyers lots of money to get to the bottom of it all. They're still flouncing and trying to fob my lawyers off. If they'd responded to the lawyers positively on day one instead of ignoring them we'd likely have an agreement in place, everyone would be happy, genome sequencing would be carried out on-Island and they'd still be using the PCR test I developed that has the swabbing control in it. Edited January 1, 2021 by rachomics 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NoTailT Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Incompetent bastards at the top. this will probably not spread and they’ll get off Scot free. But it is one failing after another they manage to get through them each time and that’s really annoying because it SHOULD be biting them on the arse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, NoTailT said: Incompetent bastards at the top. this will probably not spread and they’ll get off Scot free. But it is one failing after another they manage to get through them each time and that’s really annoying because it SHOULD be biting them on the arse. MBE's/OBE's all round! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Would the wise thing to do now be impose a 21 day "circuit-breaker"? Yes. Obviously. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, rachomics said: IoM Gov paid for my initial microbiology degree. UKGov paid for the MSc and PhD because I was working for them Thought that would be the case. However, the point remains, IOMG "invests" heavily in funding students and the hope is they bring their expertise back to the island and when they do and are treated in the way you have, it makes a mockery of that initial investment. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Just drove past the grandstand testing facility at about 1 pm , around 12 cars and taxi's queuing for tests . Is that normal ?? I tbh have no idea what sort of numbers they handle daily but thought on a New Years day that was alot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachomics Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 About 50-80 a day was typical when I was involved. I imagine there are people who arrived back on the IoM yesterday who are wanting their day 1 test would be booked in for today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_N_Eggs Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Nomadic Raptor said: Please can someone answer me this question......hypothetically if I came in contact with the person in 1886 and somehow they managed to pass it on to me. How long would it take for me to be infectious? Is it more than 5/6 days? If it’s less what’s the point of letting people know about this 5 or 6 days after as if they passed it on they could have passed it to someone else and it’s already too late? I assume because we haven’t had a huge spate of increase in cases this didn’t happen? I think you'll find there will be at least one more case which is why they hurried the announcement last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, pongo said: Yes. Obviously. It seems that way to me too. We know enough about the virus' characteristics, its strengths (lots) and weaknesses. But we're not playing it at its own game. We're blundering along trying to do our own thing, potentially allowing it to run rings around us. It makes the rules until we can get on top of it - so let's play it at its weaknesses. If there's been a potential outbreak of unknown spread we need to deal with it and react accordingly. Edited January 1, 2021 by Non-Believer typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 36 minutes ago, rachomics said: Certainly when I was in charge of that kind of thing LAMP was the absolute last thing that would ever be put near the hospital lab. Only takes one fool to open the tube after the test and the whole lab would be contaminated and everyone would test positive for weeks. I would hope some of my expertise rubbed off in that they're not using LAMP up there. Not the case, unfortunately. We all have different immune systems and different previous exposures to pathogens, which means we will all incubate the virus differently, even when exposed at the same time. One person might become asymptomatic and spread the virus with no symptoms. Another person might never develop the disease. Another person might become symptomatic at 5 days post-exposure. Another person might become symptomatic 16 days after exposure. This is one of the "unicorn tests" that I talked about in the YouTube presentation. A test for exposure is something we would all love to see but it will never exist (hence unicorn..). IoM Gov paid for my initial microbiology degree. UKGov paid for the MSc and PhD because I was working for them I'm not going to hold my breath and I truly don't expect them too. They were offered my services again and again and all that was required was legal agreements to cover the specifics. They wanted full liability with my company, I did not. They flounced and then did some rather dastardly things that now mean I'm paying lawyers lots of money to get to the bottom of it all. They're still flouncing and trying to fob my lawyers off. If they'd responded to the lawyers positively on day one instead of ignoring them we'd likely have an agreement in place, everyone would be happy, genome sequencing would be carried out on-Island and they'd still be using the PCR test I developed that has the swabbing control in it. As I have said in another thread, our PS is headed by spineless, incompetent idiots who fail to act early at any sign of difficulty or trouble. They are only interested in preserving their power and their jobs so if they do nothing, there can be no blame or consequences. This really has to stop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 11/12/2020 at 12:28 AM, quilp said: Odds-on, 50+ community cases by end of January. I sincerely hope this isn't going to happen. Chances are..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, quilp said: I sincerely hope this isn't going to happen. Chances are..? High I'd say as have had a bad feeling about all this for a week or more. Hoping I'm totally wrong . Do feel theres more News to come out about this latest outbreak. Just the timing of the Tweet is enough to get me worried . Guess we will find out soon enough . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightBulb Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Gladys said: Out of interest, what is the capacity of 1886, less than a party in Jersey? 1886 just seem to have the capacity to be able attract bad publicity, in the paper every week, with some sort of fight / scuffle/ assult, and now this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, LightBulb said: 1886 just seem to have the capacity to be able attract bad publicity, in the paper every week, with some sort of fight / scuffle/ assult, and now this. Nothing new with this. The fights and trouble years ago at the Cave and Toff's and the likes was far worse . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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