Gladys Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 39 minutes ago, John Wright said: All Manx football matches cancelled. There is a God Due to weather rather than covid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 The 15 minutes thing is only really an arbitrary time for the purposes of success in contact tracing, nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Gladys said: Due to weather rather than covid. Still means there is a God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, John Wright said: Still means there is a God No argument there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetchtyke Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, jaymann said: Can someone please tell me how they have been able to identify close contacts for 1886, when the venue weren't even aware until the presser went out? A close contsct is anyone who was within 2m for at least 15 minutes. Which will be the people the index case(s) were out with. It won't be the bloke behind the bar. As I said above, the high risk people are their associates. Even at mass spreader events it has largely been the close associates who have caught it. That doesn't mean that everyone else is at no risk, but the stampede to close everything is an overreaction. An entirely understandable overreaction, and there's an argument to be safe not sorry, but still an overreaction. Edited January 2, 2021 by tetchtyke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaymann Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, tetchtyke said: A close contsct is anyone who was within 2m for at least 15 minutes. Which will be the people the index case(s) were out with. It won't be the bloke behind the bar. As I said above, the high risk people are their associates. Even at mass spreader events it has largely been the close associates who have caught it. That doesn't mean that everyone else is at no risk, but the stampede to close everything is an overreaction. An entirely understandable overreaction, and there's an argument to be safe not sorry, but still an overreaction. I'm sorry but in 1886, you could easily have 20 people within 2 metres of you. The 15 minutes is arbitrary and shouldn't be considered here. But even if it was, one would imagine there were or are people that the index doesn't know the identity of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, jaymann said: I'm sorry but in 1886, you could easily have 20 people within 2 metres of you. The 15 minutes is arbitrary and shouldn't be considered here. But even if it was, one would imagine there were or are people that the index doesn't know the identity of. Well it’s been a week now for 1886 so surely some cases would have shown up if he was very contagious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, tetchtyke said: The risks spending 15 minutes or more in close proximity to them. Simply being in the same venue as them doesn't make you at a high risk of catching it from them. That's not the same as saying there is no risk, there is always a risk, but the widespread closure of venues is an overreaction. An understandable overreaction, but still. If you have symptoms then call 111. But being in Robinson's at the same time isn't a massive risk. The risks aren’t the same across all given locations though, Cafe, Robinsons, Chippy and Casino are all very low risk, I think the only real risk will be to the cashier/server. 1886 is different though, it was absolutely crammed, live band was playing and hygiene isn’t exactly high on the list after a few drinks, the number of people who don’t wash their hands after using the facilities will tell you that. Until we know more about the individuals movements we need to be cautious, hopefully they were sat in the corner nursing a pint but on the other hand they could have been absolutely hammered, up dancing, going for a pee umpteen times etc Im a little bit disappointed they didn’t go for a takeaway after 1886 because that’s normally the sign of a good night lol 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Banker said: Well it’s been a week now for 1886 so surely some cases would have shown up if he was very contagious You would think (and hope) so, but given the average age of about 17 in there, there could be an asymptomatic aspect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Banker said: Well it’s been a week now for 1886 so surely some cases would have shown up if he was very contagious This completely ignores that the case in question had done their 14 days isolation before their own symptoms showed up. I don't know if you're doing it on purpose or are just being thick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Banker said: Well it’s been a week now for 1886 so surely some cases would have shown up if he was very contagious Nothing to say people didn’t have symptoms and just dismissed it as some other bug, if Covid isn’t in the community there wouldn’t have been a reason to ring 111, self isolate or be tested. I suspect following the public information there will be people with similar symptoms who will now wish to be tested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Well, it made me laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, John Wright said: All Manx football matches cancelled. There is a God Frozen pitches perhaps? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, Happier diner said: You would think (and hope) so, but given the average age of about 17 in there, there could be an asymptomatic aspect Possibly but they are now testing some of staff & visitors even though not required but at least it keeps the pitchfork brigade happy 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tetchtyke Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, jaymann said: I'm sorry but in 1886, you could easily have 20 people within 2 metres of you. The 15 minutes is arbitrary and shouldn't be considered here. But even if it was, one would imagine there were or are people that the index doesn't know the identity of. I'm sorry but nobody is a "high risk contact" simply because they were briefly in the same building as someone with Covid. The risk comes from being exposed to Covid virus particles. The 15 minutes is slightly arbitrary but the time is there to distinguish people who were in prolonged conversation and contact with the index case and others who weren't. That isn't to say that people in 1886, or wherever, are at no risk whatsoever. In the NZ spike in the autumn one unfortunate soul caught Covid off a lift button, which goes to show. But the advice to only seek a test if you display symptoms is inherently sensible unless you want 111 to be swamped. I'd say it is also sensible for staff to get tested and stay at home until a negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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