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4 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said:

We're not whinging about the turnaround time. We're simply questioning the difference in claimed capacity and actual throughput being anything down to a fifth of that.

200 tests a day is where we were in May. In October, we were claiming we could do 800 a day.

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/govt-testing-capacity-upped-from-300-to-800-quayle/

There’s not been a need to do more testing as we haven’t done any on arrivals until recently, the massive demand over weekend was mainly due to the demand for tests from those who had been in 1886 etc although there was no requirement.

Expect demand will fall next week as just a few arrivals now with new restrictions.

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Just now, Banker said:

There’s not been a need to do more testing as we haven’t done any on arrivals until recently, the massive demand over weekend was mainly due to the demand for tests from those who had been in 1886 etc although there was no requirement.

Expect demand will fall next week as just a few arrivals now with new restrictions.

No, the real requirement for testing is over the coming week, which is when the 1886 lot should be tested or re-tested.

However, either way, should this not in itself be a good proving run for that capacity? The swabs are there and it'd iron out the process of doing it at that scale in the case that our Lord and Saviour Banker deems it necessary.

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2 hours ago, Apple said:

Side Issue-

Why is New Zealand being held up as a positive role model for the Isle of Man.

It's their stats as much as anything. Bear in mind that their population is around 5m.

New Zealand:  Total Positive Cases 2181,  Total Deaths 25,   Active Cases 72

IOM:                                                    380                          25                            6

Guernsey                                            300                          13                            8

Jersey                                                2821                         44                       440

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35 minutes ago, monasqueen said:

It's their stats as much as anything. Bear in mind that their population is around 5m.

New Zealand:  Total Positive Cases 2181,  Total Deaths 25,   Active Cases 72

IOM:                                                    380                          25                            6

Guernsey                                            300                          13                            8

Jersey                                                2821                         44                       440

Numbers never lie, and cream (and s**t) always floats to top. I would also overlay economic effects, which gone same way as health outcomes (but cannot be bothered to look at data since all Jersey fanboys gone into hiding on MF).

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3 minutes ago, BenFairfax said:

Numbers never lie, and cream (and s**t) always floats to top. I would also overlay economic effects, which gone same way as health outcomes (but cannot be bothered to look at data since all Jersey fanboys gone into hiding on MF).

Who are the Jersey fan boys (who’ve gone into hiding) that you speak of?

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2 hours ago, Apple said:

Side Issue-

Why is New Zealand being held up as a positive role model for the Isle of Man. 

Their history of health and social care does not stand up to that much scrutiny when you read the Royal Commission report into historical c1970's child and young adult abuse.

I can't honestly fathom why HQ and Charters went there to actually review and then plan the 'roadmap' and recreate the system to base Manx Care on.

It's being held up because they have developed systems that work and seem to cope well with cluster outbreaks.  This applies both to testing and entry regimes and how they communicate with the public.  And it means that, like us, they have been able remain Covid-free for a long time and seem less vulnerable to new

That's not automatically endorsing everything that any New Zealand government has ever done, though it's worth pointing that at least they had a Royal Commission while we swept cases like Knottfield under the carpet for decades and haven't really dealt with them properly yet.

As far as I can remember, Quayle and Charters visited New Zealand on the grounds that Charters' son lived out there and he wanted to visit him at our expense.  And Quayle was mug enough to go along with it (or maybe he wanted a free holiday as well).

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1 hour ago, BenFairfax said:

Numbers never lie, and cream (and s**t) always floats to top. I would also overlay economic effects, which gone same way as health outcomes (but cannot be bothered to look at data since all Jersey fanboys gone into hiding on MF).

Another three deaths in Jersey. Poor buggers still have it bad. New cases still dropping though so that’s good. 

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Latest results, one less in hospital & no new positive 

Total active cases

6

Admitted to hospital

1

Isolated individual (non-community)

5

Total tests

21,751

Concluded tests

21,738

Awaiting results

13

Awaiting tests

230

 Number of deaths

25

Hospital admissi

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7 minutes ago, The Old Git said:

Another three deaths in Jersey. Poor buggers still have it bad. New cases still dropping though so that’s good. 

Yep, 15 dead in Jersey 2nd wave, and existing known cases likely to see this climb to over 20. But 20 great outcomes for them, with 2K+ known cases in 2nd wave (since real cases lot more than 2K). Whether 20+ deaths too high a price to allow few thousand to go shopping in UK, and skiing in Switzerland is another matter, but reflects on nature of their society.

The sum of lost years will be greatest from Long COVID effects. No clear details to date bar BMJ saying long COVID effects 10% of infections, and radiologist reporting up to 10% patients have permanent lung damage. But on back of envelope at a guess (from a non-medic who really knows sod all about this) say Long COVID/Lung damage takes 3 years life expectancy on average over 10% infections, where average life expectancy of this group is 30 years. I.e. equivalent to 10% of 3 years lost = 4 months lost over each infection. Versus 1% who die with average life expectancy of 10 years, representing a lost of 5 weeks on average over all infections. 

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13 minutes ago, Banker said:

Latest results, one less in hospital & no new positive 

Total active cases

6

Admitted to hospital

1

Isolated individual (non-community)

5

Total tests

21,751

Concluded tests

21,738

Awaiting results

13

Awaiting tests

230

 Number of deaths

25

Hospital admissi

Total tests was 21713 on yesterdays update. I presume the numbers are wrong or have they really only tested 38 people today?

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18 minutes ago, BenFairfax said:

Yep, 15 dead in Jersey 2nd wave, and existing known cases likely to see this climb to over 20. But 20 great outcomes for them, with 2K+ known cases in 2nd wave (since real cases lot more than 2K). Whether 20+ deaths too high a price to allow few thousand to go shopping in UK, and skiing in Switzerland is another matter, but reflects on nature of their society.

The sum of lost years will be greatest from Long COVID effects. No clear details to date bar BMJ saying long COVID effects 10% of infections, and radiologist reporting up to 10% patients have permanent lung damage. But on back of envelope at a guess (from a non-medic who really knows sod all about this) say Long COVID/Lung damage takes 3 years life expectancy on average over 10% infections, where average life expectancy of this group is 30 years. I.e. equivalent to 10% of 3 years lost = 4 months lost over each infection. Versus 1% who die with average life expectancy of 10 years, representing a lost of 5 weeks on average over all infections. 

Was their decision to keep their borders open taken to allow people to shop in the UK & ski in Switzerland?

Really, who’d have thought.

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