Banker Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, AcousticallyChallenged said: We're not whinging about the turnaround time. We're simply questioning the difference in claimed capacity and actual throughput being anything down to a fifth of that. 200 tests a day is where we were in May. In October, we were claiming we could do 800 a day. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/govt-testing-capacity-upped-from-300-to-800-quayle/ There’s not been a need to do more testing as we haven’t done any on arrivals until recently, the massive demand over weekend was mainly due to the demand for tests from those who had been in 1886 etc although there was no requirement. Expect demand will fall next week as just a few arrivals now with new restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcousticallyChallenged Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Just now, Banker said: There’s not been a need to do more testing as we haven’t done any on arrivals until recently, the massive demand over weekend was mainly due to the demand for tests from those who had been in 1886 etc although there was no requirement. Expect demand will fall next week as just a few arrivals now with new restrictions. No, the real requirement for testing is over the coming week, which is when the 1886 lot should be tested or re-tested. However, either way, should this not in itself be a good proving run for that capacity? The swabs are there and it'd iron out the process of doing it at that scale in the case that our Lord and Saviour Banker deems it necessary. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monasqueen Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Apple said: Side Issue- Why is New Zealand being held up as a positive role model for the Isle of Man. It's their stats as much as anything. Bear in mind that their population is around 5m. New Zealand: Total Positive Cases 2181, Total Deaths 25, Active Cases 72 IOM: 380 25 6 Guernsey 300 13 8 Jersey 2821 44 440 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenFairfax Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 35 minutes ago, monasqueen said: It's their stats as much as anything. Bear in mind that their population is around 5m. New Zealand: Total Positive Cases 2181, Total Deaths 25, Active Cases 72 IOM: 380 25 6 Guernsey 300 13 8 Jersey 2821 44 440 Numbers never lie, and cream (and s**t) always floats to top. I would also overlay economic effects, which gone same way as health outcomes (but cannot be bothered to look at data since all Jersey fanboys gone into hiding on MF). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, BenFairfax said: Numbers never lie, and cream (and s**t) always floats to top. I would also overlay economic effects, which gone same way as health outcomes (but cannot be bothered to look at data since all Jersey fanboys gone into hiding on MF). Who are the Jersey fan boys (who’ve gone into hiding) that you speak of? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Apple said: Side Issue- Why is New Zealand being held up as a positive role model for the Isle of Man. Their history of health and social care does not stand up to that much scrutiny when you read the Royal Commission report into historical c1970's child and young adult abuse. I can't honestly fathom why HQ and Charters went there to actually review and then plan the 'roadmap' and recreate the system to base Manx Care on. It's being held up because they have developed systems that work and seem to cope well with cluster outbreaks. This applies both to testing and entry regimes and how they communicate with the public. And it means that, like us, they have been able remain Covid-free for a long time and seem less vulnerable to new That's not automatically endorsing everything that any New Zealand government has ever done, though it's worth pointing that at least they had a Royal Commission while we swept cases like Knottfield under the carpet for decades and haven't really dealt with them properly yet. As far as I can remember, Quayle and Charters visited New Zealand on the grounds that Charters' son lived out there and he wanted to visit him at our expense. And Quayle was mug enough to go along with it (or maybe he wanted a free holiday as well). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Anyone for a laugh, jet ski knob apologies!! Probably got a few bob for you interview https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jetski-romeo-who-broke-covid-23252484 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Git Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, BenFairfax said: Numbers never lie, and cream (and s**t) always floats to top. I would also overlay economic effects, which gone same way as health outcomes (but cannot be bothered to look at data since all Jersey fanboys gone into hiding on MF). Another three deaths in Jersey. Poor buggers still have it bad. New cases still dropping though so that’s good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Latest results, one less in hospital & no new positive Total active cases 6 Admitted to hospital 1 Isolated individual (non-community) 5 Total tests 21,751 Concluded tests 21,738 Awaiting results 13 Awaiting tests 230 Number of deaths 25 Hospital admissi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenFairfax Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Old Git said: Another three deaths in Jersey. Poor buggers still have it bad. New cases still dropping though so that’s good. Yep, 15 dead in Jersey 2nd wave, and existing known cases likely to see this climb to over 20. But 20 great outcomes for them, with 2K+ known cases in 2nd wave (since real cases lot more than 2K). Whether 20+ deaths too high a price to allow few thousand to go shopping in UK, and skiing in Switzerland is another matter, but reflects on nature of their society. The sum of lost years will be greatest from Long COVID effects. No clear details to date bar BMJ saying long COVID effects 10% of infections, and radiologist reporting up to 10% patients have permanent lung damage. But on back of envelope at a guess (from a non-medic who really knows sod all about this) say Long COVID/Lung damage takes 3 years life expectancy on average over 10% infections, where average life expectancy of this group is 30 years. I.e. equivalent to 10% of 3 years lost = 4 months lost over each infection. Versus 1% who die with average life expectancy of 10 years, representing a lost of 5 weeks on average over all infections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, Banker said: Latest results, one less in hospital & no new positive All of 1886 staff tested negative which will also be a huge relief to many. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hedgehog Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 13 minutes ago, Banker said: Latest results, one less in hospital & no new positive Total active cases 6 Admitted to hospital 1 Isolated individual (non-community) 5 Total tests 21,751 Concluded tests 21,738 Awaiting results 13 Awaiting tests 230 Number of deaths 25 Hospital admissi Total tests was 21713 on yesterdays update. I presume the numbers are wrong or have they really only tested 38 people today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 18 minutes ago, BenFairfax said: Yep, 15 dead in Jersey 2nd wave, and existing known cases likely to see this climb to over 20. But 20 great outcomes for them, with 2K+ known cases in 2nd wave (since real cases lot more than 2K). Whether 20+ deaths too high a price to allow few thousand to go shopping in UK, and skiing in Switzerland is another matter, but reflects on nature of their society. The sum of lost years will be greatest from Long COVID effects. No clear details to date bar BMJ saying long COVID effects 10% of infections, and radiologist reporting up to 10% patients have permanent lung damage. But on back of envelope at a guess (from a non-medic who really knows sod all about this) say Long COVID/Lung damage takes 3 years life expectancy on average over 10% infections, where average life expectancy of this group is 30 years. I.e. equivalent to 10% of 3 years lost = 4 months lost over each infection. Versus 1% who die with average life expectancy of 10 years, representing a lost of 5 weeks on average over all infections. Was their decision to keep their borders open taken to allow people to shop in the UK & ski in Switzerland? Really, who’d have thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nom de plume Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 I note 90% of the 47 Jersey Covid fatalities were over 70, 32 deaths over the age of 80. You can see why the elderly need this vaccine so urgently. Anyone have the 2020 UK influenza stats to hand? Asking for a friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Trench Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Sorry to mention this again but I find it odd in the current climate that we advertised for hnwi to 'come to the IOM' in yesterday's Sunday Times. http://www.locate.im/hnwi 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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