IOM Covid removing restrictions

[Annoymouse]

8 minutes ago, bonatti said:

Lets not get carried away. Food shopping, providing masks are worn, social distancing is stuck to, and hands sanitized in/out will carry minimal risk.

Working in a small kitchen preparing take out food is another matter . How is this still allowed. What checks are being carried out to ensure social distancing is maintained. I'm completely puzzled how take-outs are allowed to continue and aren't deemed high risk.  

Takeaways are a limited risk, kitchen staff will do everything they can to prevent a possible spread, it’s in their interest to prevent a spread because an outbreak would harm their reputation and cause them great financial loss.

If we start adding catering staff to MERA then we should add all manufacturing staff where social distancing isn’t possible, anywhere that equipment or vehicles that have to be shared, there comes a point a line has to be drawn. 

[Banker]

24 minutes ago, bonatti said:

Lets not get carried away. Food shopping, providing masks are worn, social distancing is stuck to, and hands sanitized in/out will carry minimal risk.

Working in a small kitchen preparing take out food is another matter . How is this still allowed. What checks are being carried out to ensure social distancing is maintained. I'm completely puzzled how take-outs are allowed to continue and aren't deemed high risk.  

Take outs are allowed as not everyone can cook well, considered low risk & allowing some income from restaurants. What I find annoying about some restaurants eg little fish & others is that they charge the same price for takeaways as before when they have no waiters etc to pay

[Kipper99]

Today’s figures and news conference will be a shocker. My info is that a family of 8 have tested positive. Probably community. Age range from baby to grandparents.

They went to the panto, they’ve been out and about since then. First one became symptomatic late last week. 

Not clear where they caught it, when, where.

[bonatti]

5 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

Takeaways are a limited risk, kitchen staff will do everything they can to prevent a possible spread, it’s in their interest to prevent a spread because an outbreak would harm their reputation and cause them great financial loss.

If we start adding catering staff to MERA then we should add all manufacturing staff where social distancing isn’t possible, anywhere that equipment or vehicles that have to be shared, there comes a point a line has to be drawn. 

I get that, but how can people from multiple households working in a confined space be limited risk.

If we are going to do this (hopefully for the shortest possible time), lets at least do it properly.

 

[Annoymouse]

5 minutes ago, bonatti said:

I get that, but how can people from multiple households working in a confined space be limited risk.

If we are going to do this (hopefully for the shortest possible time), lets at least do it properly.

 

There are many things that don’t make sense, I can’t get my boiler serviced even though it’s outside, I can pin the garden gate back and the service could be carried out with zero contact risk but it’s emergency work only?

A takeaway in my house is a pay day treat, but other people seem to live off them like it’s an essential service, I suppose if I was in self isolation then a takeaway might be quite tempting.

[Banker]

18 minutes ago, Kipper99 said:

Today’s figures and news conference will be a shocker. My info is that a family of 8 have tested positive. Probably community. Age range from baby to grandparents.

They went to the panto, they’ve been out and about since then. First one became symptomatic late last week. 

Not clear where they caught it, when, where.

Hopefully this isn’t true as seems awful, when was pantomime on?

[Annoymouse]

15 minutes ago, Kipper99 said:

Today’s figures and news conference will be a shocker. My info is that a family of 8 have tested positive. Probably community. Age range from baby to grandparents.

They went to the panto, they’ve been out and about since then. First one became symptomatic late last week. 

Not clear where they caught it, when, where.

In some respects I hope this is true, it will hopefully throw up the question why aren’t they retesting people?

If you travel back to the island from the Uk then you get tested 3 times, yet get identified as a close contact and you have 1 test, that’s it, despite them admitting that day 1 tests don’t catch everything and that allows the virus to slip through the net.

 

[NoTail]

If rumour above is correct then I can see the current lockdown lasting 6 weeks. If we can vaccinate the old and vulnerable i that time then we can unlock as the hospital will not get overwhelmed.  Note that right now there are no beds in use at the hospital. 

[Gladys]

Thanks to the Wright Brothers for explaining and I apologise if my question produced a face palm moment!  But what you have said underlines to me what I suspected, that the reliability stats of testing at certain times during the virus cycle against our own cycle is not quite right.  Our day 1 is arrival, to assume that that is day 1 on the virus cycle and attribute the reliability of tests on that day is flawed.   And, yes, subsequent testing to pick up the virus later in its cycle is right.  

What we do know is that infections are being picked up at each testing, so that's all well and good. 

[Banker]

7 minutes ago, Annoymouse said:

In some respects I hope this is true, it will hopefully throw up the question why aren’t they retesting people?

If you travel back to the island from the Uk then you get tested 3 times, yet get identified as a close contact and you have 1 test, that’s it, despite them admitting that day 1 tests don’t catch everything and that allows the virus to slip through the net.

 

Well panto finished 30/12 so seems strange to come forward with symptoms 12 days later?

[John Wright]

1 hour ago, wrighty said:

Allow me. 
 

For our testing strategy the days are referring to arrival time. We have no idea if or when arrivals were infected - if we did they wouldn’t need a test. All these figures of 7% and 99% refer to days post infection/exposure. I posted here before that the median time to test positive is 5 days, that means that by then 50% of positive subjects will test positive. 
 

A day one test, on its own, is not much help. Combine it with day 6/7 and day 13 and if an arrival is positive you are almost certain to detect it. There is still a 1% chance that they were infected on the day of arrival (in ASDA before boarding, for example) and thus day 13 after arrival is their day 13 after infection. In this scenario however, it is unlikely they will be infectious as viral culture studies suggest up to 10 days from exposure is the limit. They could, I suppose, have infected a family member in the previous fortnight who could still be infectious. 
 

Aside from absolutely closing the borders there is no 100% guaranteed testing regime to prevent reintroduction of covid. The system we have now though is close, and it’s more likely that any lapses are due to breaking rules rather than system design. 
 

All this is based on perfect testing with 100% sensitivity and specificity, which doesn’t exist, and doesn’t take into account the so-called new variant (which it’s been suggested may have a longer incubation period, although I’ve not seen this, but does seem to be more easily transmissible - the ‘spike protein’ probably fits the receptor a bit better, or something like that)

In percentage terms then what is the chance of someone infected,  and being randomly tested, testing positive on any day. I’m assuming it’s not 7%, but between 30-35%? 

[snowman]

17 minutes ago, Banker said:

Well panto finished 30/12 so seems strange to come forward with symptoms 12 days later?

where did it say they came forward today ?

 

[Annoymouse]

9 minutes ago, Banker said:

Well panto finished 30/12 so seems strange to come forward with symptoms 12 days later?

There is worldwide news suggesting the new strains incubate for a longer period and that’s being being completely ignored by our government for possible community cases, thank goodness they didn’t stay Asymptomatic is all I can say.

 

[Non-Believer]

37 minutes ago, bonatti said:

If we are going to do this (hopefully for the shortest possible time), lets at least do it properly.

This.

It's no use imposing a (well intended) lockdown if it's shot full of holes, exemptions, and self-applied non-applicables.

The Island could reattain its virus-free status IMHO, but it's going to take a rigorous application of no-debates conditions, legally enforced by the authorities if necessary. To include wearing of masks and not being outside your property without reasons contained in the conditions. It's harsh but necessary and I can hear the whingeing already.

Otherwise, the virus is in through an open gate and given carte blanche to spread. As it would appear to be already doing.

[John Wright]

Well done to the Co-op who’ve agreed to accept the free school meal vouchers issued by Government for use in Shoprite.

Means most families are now in walking distance of a shop accepting vouchers.