Black Lives Matter

[Shake me up Judy]

1 hour ago, John Wright said:

Actually it’s a dramatisation of the evening of his death ( which appears accurate from the contemporaneous reports of the trial ) and a poignant imagining of his life as it might have been lived over the next 5 years, who he might have met, how he might have affected their lives, what he might have achieved,  and then a recap of those events with him fading out so those who he might have affected are left on their own.

A what might have been,  apart from mindless racially motivated violence.

I started to watch it but there was just too much of that BBC black halo effect for me. Not sure if that way of storytelling really worked either. Very sad for his mum and I'm sure he was a lovely lad, but a straight drama documentary would've been more powerful and more truthful.

[dilligaf]

30 minutes ago, The Old Git said:

Sore bottom?

Sore throat

[Kopek]

Kneeling, wrong direction , when viewed from the south as usual but cute little bum cheeks!!! Only the style is their logo,  the Legs are our symbol and it would be best if they were to correct it.

Jane Poole-WIlson, we like her, don't we? Supports the aims of this  movement.

How could anyone tell the colour of the two spokespersons from the MR interview to be so anti straight away and associated with BLM???

[Gladys]

I am anti because it smacks of the bandwagon and they are not clear about who they are, what they stand for and who gave them their commission.  I know I am banging on about that last bit, but I think it is important that we have clarity.  As I have said, I have no issue with broadening the curriculum to include race issues, but I want to know who is going to set that particular agenda. 

[The Old Git]

16 minutes ago, dilligaf said:

Sore throat

That was the other option - did it leave a bad taste in your mouth?

[dilligaf]

47 minutes ago, The Old Git said:

That was the other option - did it leave a bad taste in your mouth?

Just the thought does. Done many things in my life but neither of those.

[Shake me up Judy]

46 minutes ago, Gladys said:

I am anti because it smacks of the bandwagon and they are not clear about who they are, what they stand for and who gave them their commission.  I know I am banging on about that last bit, but I think it is important that we have clarity.  As I have said, I have no issue with broadening the curriculum to include race issues, but I want to know who is going to set that particular agenda. 

Yes, I'm wary of this too. It may be well intentioned but there's far too much ideological bias and 'victim history' in schools and education as it is. Far too many people see history through the prism of their own prejudices already. This sort of meddling is invariably misjudged and 'bad' history. 

[Kopek]

Perhaps the DESC?

[quilp]

2 hours ago, HeliX said:

I kneeled in a church as a kid. Won't make that mistake again.

Dirty Vicar...?

[gettafa]

2 hours ago, Declan said:

How can you not teach black history, without also teaching working class history and Manx history? I don't think you can. I think they go hand in hand. 

Recent films depicting Great Britain in the first half of 20th century and earlier now have their fair quota of black faces, even if it distorts history in doing so. It all seems a bit false, but I suppose once my generation fucks off and all die, history can be wrote as 'they' would rather it was. 

[Augustus]

3 hours ago, Gladys said:

I am anti because it smacks of the bandwagon and they are not clear about who they are, what they stand for and who gave them their commission.  I know I am banging on about that last bit, but I think it is important that we have clarity.  As I have said, I have no issue with broadening the curriculum to include race issues, but I want to know who is going to set that particular agenda. 

The two individuals interviewed are between them no more than 22 or 23. Babies fired with righteous zeal in the tradition of young people.

[Gladys]

7 hours ago, Kopek said:

Perhaps the DESC?

Perhaps they will just go with whatever is demanded, much like our constabulary who supported/condoned/facilitated a demonstration in lock down for fear of being accused of being racist or not on message? 

[Kopek]

The Dof ED will go along with a fledgling organisation? I doubt it.

Their curriculum has years of development behind it, I doubt they would cast that aside on a whim even for a good idea. I tend to think that any changes to the PC'd PSHE lessons should be in consultation with a University for advice and guidance.

Many Police forces take a logical approach to managing demonstrations, if it's going to happen, better to manage it than try to stop it?

I could understand your suspicions of any new organisations driving factors if you were worried that say....White Supremacists had infiltrated the  Hardy Commission to sow racial doubts in the 'on the fence' white population, or Black Panther to stir up racial action but really is it likely that a fledgling MANX organisation has been infiltrated in such a way? Really?

There are times to put aside suspicions, especially when fatuous, to embrace  the ideas of those who are, at least. trying to bring about changes, peaceful of course.

They just want more understanding of racialism on the Island and to address this in schools? Is that wrong?

Maybe they read MF!!!

Of course they are young, these are the people who do try to make a difference in many spheres.

Youngsters  today are much less likely to see colour, differences, body features etc than we? did when we were young. Ugly was often used as a descriptive when I was young, the only use of it I have heard recently was to describe a Black Woman' ! You probably know her, she isn't ugly. The man calling her it, we all know and love for his....................

This is what is wrong with 'covert racism'.

[Max Power]

29 minutes ago, Kopek said:

The Dof ED will go along with a fledgling organisation? I doubt it.

Their curriculum has years of development behind it, I doubt they would cast that aside on a whim even for a good idea. I tend to think that any changes to the PC'd PSHE lessons should be in consultation with a University for advice and guidance.

Many Police forces take a logical approach to managing demonstrations, if it's going to happen, better to manage it than try to stop it?

I could understand your suspicions of any new organisations driving factors if you were worried that say....White Supremacists had infiltrated the  Hardy Commission to sow racial doubts in the 'on the fence' white population, or Black Panther to stir up racial action but really is it likely that a fledgling MANX organisation has been infiltrated in such a way? Really?

There are times to put aside suspicions, especially when fatuous, to embrace  the ideas of those who are, at least. trying to bring about changes, peaceful of course.

They just want more understanding of racialism on the Island and to address this in schools? Is that wrong?

Maybe they read MF!!!

Of course they are young, these are the people who do try to make a difference in many spheres.

Youngsters  today are much less likely to see colour, differences, body features etc than we? did when we were young. Ugly was often used as a descriptive when I was young, the only use of it I have heard recently was to describe a Black Woman' ! You probably know her, she isn't ugly. The man calling her it, we all know and love for his....................

This is what is wrong with 'covert racism'.

There were very few black people on the island when I was at school but we never thought anything about it when we encountered a black person? 

When I was five, we lived close to Strand Street/Castle Street. I remember a young black guy, with his cardboard suitcase, smartly dressed with a trilby standing at the junction. He asked me if I knew where he could find a room. My grandparents ran a large guest house on Fairfield Terrace, so I walked up there to show him. I rang the bell as I knew not to wander in during summer when they were busy. Unfortunately, they said they were full, and they probably were as they were quite popular. They asked me in and pointed him in the direction of somewhere that may have had vacancies. I got a right telling off for talking to strangers, particularly 'different people'. I couldn't understand it but it never changed my approach or made me think badly of black people? On my way home, I saw him without his case and hat and he thanked me for my help. Very polite to a five year old and he probably is to thank for my never having any of the bigotry that people often mention. I wondered what he was doing over here, and still do to this day.  

[Gladys]

I hope you are right about the DESC, but current form seems to be to respond with kowtowing rather than a considered change. 

See Quilp's clip above re seeing colour.  It is offensive to say that you don't see colour.  It also seems that black people are considered unable to champion their own interests and need young, often female, white people to look out for them.  My suspicion about the Hardy Commission is exactly that.  Does this Commission have any parents of children currently going through school among its members?  You know, the people who are directly affected by these demands?