Black Lives Matter

[manxman1980]

3 minutes ago, FDR said:

"but" nothing. If you don't feel guilty for being a white male then you are a sexist and a racist, according to the SJW mob.

No, because I can empathise with their cause and stand up to sexism and racism.

[FDR]

1 minute ago, Declan said:

That's your deliberate misinterpretation. And phrases like "SJW" are very Orwellian.

It's not a misinterpretation at all. It's exactly what people are being told: if you're white, you should feel guilt for this thing that happened 200 years ago that you had nothing to do with.

Of course "SJW" would be an example of orwellian "doublespeak" if it was used unironically.

That's why we use it ironically.

[Gladys]

52 minutes ago, Declan said:

He was fighting Fascists in Spain. Something the right forget when they invoke his name.

That is entirely consistent. 1984 is about any form of authoritarian state control, facsism or communist  - at the extreme end there is very little difference. 

[FDR]

2 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

No, because I can empathise with their cause and stand up to sexism and racism.

No, you can't empathise. The crackpot ideology we are dealing with here rejects the concept of empathy, which is why they have a dogmatic attachment to demographics and percentages when it comes to the composition of bodies such as academic faculties or parliamentary systems: they don't believe a man can empathise with a woman, or that a white person can empathise with a black person, so you need to add more women and black people into those bodies. They reject basic human capacity for reason, logic, empathy, and intellect. They do this because in their ideology they don't believe in the individual as a unit of self-autonomy. They want to uproot all institutions and turn everything towards collectives. As I've said a number of times now, this is not about race or gender, it's always been a war to undermine the concept of individuality and to impose collectivism on us all.

[FDR]

2 minutes ago, Gladys said:

That is entirely consistent. 1984 is about any form of authoritarian state control, racist or communist  - at the extreme end there is very little difference. 

Very little difference because at both ends they're run by British intelligence.

[manxman1980]

@FDR Do yourself a favour, lay off the booze and take a break from the internet. 

COVID-19 restrictions have been lifted so go outside and have a walk, relax and enjoy the beautiful scenery and peace and quiet.

It will do you a world of good.

[Declan]

12 minutes ago, Gladys said:

That is entirely consistent. 1984 is about any form of authoritarian state control, racist or communist  - at the extreme end there is very little difference. 

But they invoke it against "political correctness" or "feminazis" or "SJWs" or "snowflakes" when they are really rebranding perfectly reasonable anti-discriminatory positions as anti-Freedom of Speech. That's a very Orwellian thing for them to do. 

You only have to look at the removal of statues. Do you honestly think Orwell wouldn't have been on the streets supporting BLM (well pre-TB I guess he'd need to social distance then)? Yet the right say it's Orwellian rewriting of history, as they incite thickos to do Nazi salutes in protection of Churchill's statue.

[HeliX]

39 minutes ago, FDR said:

It's not a misinterpretation at all. It's exactly what people are being told: if you're white, you should feel guilt for this thing that happened 200 years ago that you had nothing to do with.

Nobody has told me that.

[Declan]

34 minutes ago, FDR said:

Of course "SJW" would be an example of orwellian "doublespeak" if it was used unironically.

That's why we use it ironically.

I'm not sure you are. Social Justice Warrior is a made up term by the right to use as a stick to beat the cause for social justice (in the same way as "do-gooder" became an insult when surely everyone wants to do good). The only way to use it ironically would be for anti-racist or simillar to call themselves an SJW to mock the right's use of the term. And I don't think that's what you are doing. 

[FDR]

2 hours ago, Declan said:

I'm not sure you are. Social Justice Warrior is a made up term by the right to use as a stick to beat the cause for social justice (in the same way as "do-gooder" became an insult when surely everyone wants to do good). The only way to use it ironically would be for anti-racist or simillar to call themselves an SJW to mock the right's use of the term. And I don't think that's what you are doing. 

I was unaware that the term was made up by the right. Given that I'm a far leftist, this is a surprise to me. I'll have to look into it further. But even if the right did make up the term, it's still a fitting one for the type of virtue signaling busy busy it applies to.

[P.K.]

3 minutes ago, FDR said:

I was unaware that the term was made up by the right. Given that I'm a far leftist, this is a surprise to me. I'll have to look into it further. But even if the right did make up the term, it's still a fitting one for the type of virtue signaling busy busy it applies to.

Oh dear, I wondered when the term "virtue signalling" would turn up.

As far as I can tell it's a label that nasty, small-minded people hang on those doing good things for others in order to denigrate them.

Presumable because they judge others by their own lamentably low standards which includes never doing anything for others when there's nothing in it for themselves....

[FDR]

3 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

@FDR Do yourself a favour, lay off the booze and take a break from the internet. 

COVID-19 restrictions have been lifted so go outside and have a walk, relax and enjoy the beautiful scenery and peace and quiet.

It will do you a world of good.

Haven't touched alcohol in quite a long time and generally live a teetotal life. 

I'm only communicating to you what these people really believe as part of their ideology. I get the impression you haven't immersed yourself in their writings to get a full idea of their thinking and I don't blame you for that as what they write is very tedious, boring, and mind-numbing. I truly feel dumber for having read it. In fact, maybe that's why I'm so angry: their emotionalism and recourse to collectivism, their rejection of the individual and rational thought may have rubbed off on me. These people really are bonkers. I knew I shouldn't have used the term "SJW" to describe them, knowing Declan or someone else would come along and attack that, but what else can you call them? If I call them what they really are, cultural marxists, I'm again attacked because some random "right winger" might have used that term at some point in the 1980s. Yet  these people are a collective group who are from the same ideological structure. We do need to assign a name to them and marxist, socialist, SJW, tossers, doesn't make much difference to me.

[FDR]

1 minute ago, P.K. said:

Oh dear, I wondered when the term "virtue signalling" would turn up.

As far as I can tell it's a label that nasty, small-minded people hang on those doing good things for others in order to denigrate them.

Presumable because they judge others by their own lamentably low standards which includes never doing anything for others when there's nothing in it for themselves....

What else would you call it when people engage in public virtue signalling? It's a very literal descriptive term for exactly what they're doing. Accurately describing their behaviour really says nothing about me, a mere observer of their behaviour. 

[manxman1980]

10 minutes ago, FDR said:

Haven't touched alcohol in quite a long time and generally live a teetotal life. 

Good for you.  I still stand by my recommendation to take a break from the internet though.  

10 minutes ago, FDR said:

I'm only communicating to you what these people really believe as part of their ideology. I get the impression you haven't immersed yourself in their writings to get a full idea of their thinking and I don't blame you for that as what they write is very tedious, boring, and mind-numbing. I truly feel dumber for having read it. In fact, maybe that's why I'm so angry: their emotionalism and recourse to collectivism, their rejection of the individual and rational thought may have rubbed off on me. These people really are bonkers. I knew I shouldn't have used the term "SJW" to describe them, knowing Declan or someone else would come along and attack that, but what else can you call them? If I call them what they really are, cultural marxists, I'm again attacked because some random "right winger" might have used that term at some point in the 1980s. Yet  these people are a collective group who are from the same ideological structure. We do need to assign a name to them and marxist, socialist, SJW, tossers, doesn't make much difference to me.

Have you been taking tips from them? 

 

[FDR]

Send me £200 and I'll stop posting entirely until 2021.