woolley Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 48 minutes ago, P.K. said: If it's strategic it makes sense. It's perpetuating bloat. What they should actually do is stop trying to flog a dead horse. Relieve it of the cost of top heavy management doing all manner of pointless things and just concentrate on fulfilling the demand for a basic postal service for as long as that exists and aligning the size of the operation to that demand as it reduces. That would keep it profitable for the foreseeable future. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, woolley said: It's perpetuating bloat. What they should actually do is stop trying to flog a dead horse. Relieve it of the cost of top heavy management doing all manner of pointless things and just concentrate on fulfilling the demand for a basic postal service for as long as that exists and aligning the size of the operation to that demand as it reduces. That would keep it profitable for the foreseeable future. How would fulfilling a basic postal service including sub post offices keep it profitable? Have you read the report and previous submissions? The basic postal service of letters is in massive decline and together with sub post offices makes large losses! The management numbers have greatly declined in last 2/3 years if your ok with your taxes subsidising these losses then leave everything as is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 On 7/18/2020 at 8:21 PM, pongo said: Let's be absolutely clear. It's not just Amazon. It's almost every clothing retailer, for example. And everyone selling lightweight packages which in many cases will be returned. The environmental argument is nonsense too - certainly with respect to delivery. They don't just drive to our house. They deliver to all our neighbours too. Obviously. Online retail is hugely important to the economy. Most especially now. Imagine having to waste time going back to a world in which we can only use shops on the IOM. Because some stupid govt directive had caused online retailers to stop delivering here. And they would. They aren't going to set up special alternative ways of delivering stuff here and picking up returns. The old fashioned unionised Post Office model no longer makes sense. It was built as a letter service - with sorting and routing designed to allow millions of short text messages to be delivered point to point until they arrived at their destination anywhere in Britain (and later the whole world). It involved thousands of workers at hubs in every location. Today we have email and Whatsapp. No need for letters. Most are completely unnecessary. They should be charged at cost. The true price of a letter would be much higher. It should be. 100% IOMPO got left behind in the supply chain industry the day DHL and their ilk opened up. They probably thought they were immune from such developments & opportunities and all would carry on as it had in the past. Traa dy liooar and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 On 7/19/2020 at 10:08 PM, pongo said: Do you really imagine that hundreds, probably thousands, of retailers across Britain are going to bother having special, different, procedures in place for sending goods to the Isle of Man? It simply wouldn't be worth their bother. Generally it's not the retailers that have to have the systems in place, they get their out-sourced logistics partner to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Being debated at present https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/future-of-post-office-is-a-political-decision/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, woolley said: It's perpetuating bloat. What they should actually do is stop trying to flog a dead horse. Relieve it of the cost of top heavy management doing all manner of pointless things and just concentrate on fulfilling the demand for a basic postal service for as long as that exists and aligning the size of the operation to that demand as it reduces. That would keep it profitable for the foreseeable future. What organisation on the island doesn't need a top-down "rightsizing" review...? The point still stands though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Tynwald debate appears to have ended without any vote What's the point of that? Anyway, Mr Shimmins has learned that he must mention people/voters in his speeches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: Tynwald debate appears to have ended without any vote What's the point of that? Anyway, Mr Shimmins has learned that he must mention people/voters in his speeches It gave members the opportunity to pontificate on everything without making a decision!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Banker said: It gave members the opportunity to pontificate on everything without making a decision!! They surely do not realise just how very tedious this is to the listening public Anyway, to be fair to Mr Shimmins it is most rare that a Tynwald member mentions people/voters/electors/constituents - it's that kind of place I could see the attack coming from Mr Robertshaw as soon as laundry was mentioned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc.fixit Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 If they cut out the airy fairy language and traditional formality they would have time to get through at least twice as much business. There is far too much concern about correct dress and correct mode of address and not enough emphasis on actual, nitty gritty decision making and carrying out and over seeing, at reasonable cost, the results of their discussions. As in all things, the more complex the proceedings the easier it is to bluff, cover up and generally confuse the public....much like the tax laws. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Donald Trumps said: They surely do not realise just how very tedious this is to the listening public Anyway, to be fair to Mr Shimmins it is most rare that a Tynwald member mentions people/voters/electors/constituents - it's that kind of place I could see the attack coming from Mr Robertshaw as soon as laundry was mentioned! According to Robertshaw he was only one not to mention people and for that he was called a cold fish who liked to close things! obviously Robertshaw was riled! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 He was - I knew it was coming the very moment the word 'laundry' was mentioned But he condemned them all really, few ever mention their constituents - the very people who they are supposed to be in the chamber representing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forestboy Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, doc.fixit said: If they cut out the airy fairy language and traditional formality they would have time to get through at least twice as much business. There is far too much concern about correct dress and correct mode of address and not enough emphasis on actual, nitty gritty decision making and carrying out and over seeing, at reasonable cost, the results of their discussions. As in all things, the more complex the proceedings the easier it is to bluff, cover up and generally confuse the public....much like the tax laws. Time the Right Honorable title was dispensed with. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, forestboy said: Time the Right Honorable title was dispensed with. To be pedantic it doesn't exist unless any of our Tynwald members also happen to be members of Her Majesty's Privy Council (a fairly dodgy bunch admittedly). But they do seem call each other the Honorable quite a lot. Technically it's only reserved for serving Ministers plus the Speaker and President. Looking back over old Hansards, the title always seems to have applied to the Speaker and the Chairman of the Council and then President as those roles were created in a desperate attempt to keep Charlie Kerruish happy, but they didn't apply to Minister when the system came in - even Miles Walker was happy being just Mr when first CM. It seems to have crept in a few years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 39 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: To be pedantic it doesn't exist unless any of our Tynwald members also happen to be members of Her Majesty's Privy Council (a fairly dodgy bunch admittedly). But they do seem call each other the Honorable quite a lot. Technically it's only reserved for serving Ministers plus the Speaker and President. Looking back over old Hansards, the title always seems to have applied to the Speaker and the Chairman of the Council and then President as those roles were created in a desperate attempt to keep Charlie Kerruish happy, but they didn't apply to Minister when the system came in - even Miles Walker was happy being just Mr when first CM. It seems to have crept in a few years later. Ideas above their station. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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