Banker Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 7 hours ago, woolley said: You wouldn't have the luxury of making a decision as to which side of the business would give you the best income. The reality is that you would have to continue to run both to just about make enough to keep your head above water with the revenue from both sides of the business diminishing in real terms over time. Or you could give up the struggle. That's where some of these businesses are now. I think this is what scrutiny committee are looking at, they want sub post offices to continue but know they need a subsidy to do so. How can the Post Office generate more income to give more subsidies or should Treasury pick up bill like for meat plant, farmers subsidies , horse trams etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Banker said: I think this is what scrutiny committee are looking at, they want sub post offices to continue but know they need a subsidy to do so. How can the Post Office generate more income to give more subsidies or should Treasury pick up bill like for meat plant, farmers subsidies , horse trams etc I can see your point but postal services are an important service to the community. There is a case for subsidy in several areas, particularly on a small island such as ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 14 hours ago, dilligaf said: Most are. Think Spar shops Why then are they such a burden on the state? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 13 hours ago, woolley said: I know. I didn't say otherwise. The only involvement of the post office is to pay the sub-postmaster, usually the shop proprietor, a salary. This salary can be surprisingly small. It is only because the shops sell other things that they have managed to hang on for as long as they have, hence my point that the private side of the business is subsidising the continued existence of the post office. As the post office withdraws different aspects of its service from these locations over time - as recently highlighted by the case of Ballasalla - it becomes increasingly difficult for the private operators to justify continuing in business. Does IOMPO pay the sub-postmaster a living wage, or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 12 hours ago, dilligaf said: Because I tend not to give a f@@@ about what most posters say. I do care about what a few of the more intelligent posters think though. I try not to annoy them, but sometimes fail at that. Not often :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Banker said: I think this is what scrutiny committee are looking at, they want sub post offices to continue but know they need a subsidy to do so. How can the Post Office generate more income to give more subsidies or should Treasury pick up bill like for meat plant, farmers subsidies , horse trams etc There's some international research here: http://www.upu.int/uploads/tx_sbdownloader/researchOnPostalMarketsTrendsAndDriversForInternationalLetterMailParcelsAndExpressMailServicesEn.pdf.pdf There's been talk of folks working from home in the pandemic crisis missing the office environment & actually hiring desk space from local office providers Each major town on the island should perhaps have a 'Hub' - is the Ramsey Court House one? Maybe IOMG could assist in funding by putting PO services in the HUB? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 57 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: Does IOMPO pay the sub-postmaster a living wage, or not? They are not employed by the Post Office so no. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w_n_f Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 57 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: Each major town on the island should perhaps have a 'Hub' - is the Ramsey Court House one? Maybe IOMG could assist in funding by putting PO services in the HUB? Are you seriously suggesting they put Ramsey post office back into Ramsey courthouse? How would that save money? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Donald Trumps said: Does IOMPO pay the sub-postmaster a living wage, or not? No. It isn't that kind of relationship. Salary is really a misnomer. Simply a payment to provide a service. I note that in the UK in 2018 the salaries of sub postmasters ranged between 10k and 50k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) Maintaining sub post offices isn't going to save money - I'm suggesting if there is to be a Hub and a sub post office then they might consider sharing the same building Edited July 19, 2020 by Donald Trumps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Trumps Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 minute ago, woolley said: No. It isn't that kind of relationship. Salary is really a misnomer. Simply a payment to provide a service. I note that in the UK in 2018 the salaries of sub postmasters ranged between 10k and 50k. What's the range on the Isle of Man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 Anyone ever noticed than whenever cuts are brought up one sub-post office never gets a mention? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said: What's the range on the Isle of Man? I honestly don't know the full range. You'd have to ask Roger Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 55 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: Anyone ever noticed than whenever cuts are brought up one sub-post office never gets a mention? Which one Teapot? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 This is a comment from Iom today but mirrors my experience also Personally, if I never see another Amazon email saying "Hermes have got your parcel" I'll be over the moon. My experience of them is that they are unreliable, leave packages in the open, don't bother to ring the doorbell, don't get signatures (though I accept that might be a CV-19 policy), and chuck parcels around carelessly. (A recent parcel delivered by them had a massive dent in the packaging where something heavy had clearly been dropped on my parcel. Inside, the good were seriously damaged despite a triple layer of thick bubble wrap and cardboard packing) If you want to send something to the IoM by post, it costs no more to send it to the next town across, than it does to send it here. I have no idea what Hermes' USP is, because it sure as hell isn't quality of service. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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