Andy Onchan Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Rather interestingly Gary Thompson is referred to as Gary Johnson on their video page: https://www.diamondraces.com/downloads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 This sounds like something that would be written for a 1st April news article. Maybe during one of those rainy non-racing days at the Isle of Man the guys got together in a pub and someone came up with the idea and it rained all after noon and more beer was drunk and in the morning they convinced themselves it was a goer. As a starter, they need to read Steve Hislop's book "You couldn't do it now". Well, just read the title should be enough. I say good luck to them, but it won't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 hour ago, GD4ELI said: I doubt TT trademark would stand in court - was used for decades before being registered, also depends in which jurisdictions it's been applied for. Is it not just when presented like this, that the TT emblem is protected ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 The worry for the IOM TT might be that the IOW, starting with a blank sheet, hits on a formula that is very successful. This might be a shorter festival with a greater variety of machinery over a course where spectators see more racing; organized without the need for public sector employees; the involvement of expert race organisers without the interference of public sector advisors with no expertise in course safety; marketed to a more family orientated audience by a specialist event marketing company; making good use of a trademark registration that is not subjected to political weakening; generating income from commercial sources to fund the event and without dependence to public funding and the consequent interference and influence of novice politicians. In fact, everything the Isle of Man rejects as a way forward... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katman Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) TT Trademark: https://www.gov.im/media/1356855/20170518-tt-branding-use-guidance.pdf Edited July 29, 2020 by Katman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Is it not just when presented like this, that the TT emblem is protected ? If you look up the registration in the appropriate register it is the use of the logo and the TT word mark, in connection with motorcycle racing. Most of the silly assumptions made about the supposed weakness of the TT IP reflects inadequate knowledge of the actual registration. Nobody can register the letters TT for any use whatsoever, but if you register the mark for commercial use in relation to something specific, such as motorcycle racing, that affords protection from unauthorized commercial use by anyone else. That’s exactly what the IOM TT registration does. I assume it was registered following legal input from specialist IP lawyers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duck of Atholl Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, joebean said: The worry for the IOM TT might be that the IOW, starting with a blank sheet, hits on a formula that is very successful. This might be a shorter festival with a greater variety of machinery over a course where spectators see more racing; organized without the need for public sector employees; the involvement of expert race organisers without the interference of public sector advisors with no expertise in course safety; marketed to a more family orientated audience by a specialist event marketing company; making good use of a trademark registration that is not subjected to political weakening; generating income from commercial sources to fund the event and without dependence to public funding and the consequent interference and influence of novice politicians. In fact, everything the Isle of Man rejects as a way forward... Some valid points here. I wonder if the breaking point will be (as I see it) the inevitable fatalities that this sort of racing brings and whether the people of the Isle of Wight can accept that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, joebean said: I assume it was registered following legal input from specialist IP lawyers. Yes, specialist lawyers in UK. (ie not some Athol Street shyster) Edited to add: Not that there are any Athol Street shysters. At all. ETA It's just a phrase. A figure of speech. Not relevant here anyway. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) More, Southern 100 competition than TT... ...plus it's October...the ice shelf has usually covered us by then. . Edited July 29, 2020 by Albert Tatlock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 32 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: More, Southern 100 competition than TT... ...plus it's October...the ice shelf has usually covered us by then. It would deffo make a dent in the IOM TT finances. There's a lot of money down that way, given ease of access to visitors and expertise it could be a very viable and popular event. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 I think this would be something like the S100 or an Irish type road race rather than a full blown TT competitor. It will probably be good for the TT, introducing people to road racing and growing that branch of the sport. It's good that people see a future in road racing to want to get involved in it, good luck to them I say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gettafa Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, GD4ELI said: It would deffo make a dent in the IOM TT finances. There's a lot of money down that way, given ease of access to visitors and expertise it could be a very viable and popular event. 3 hours ago, Max Power said: I think this would be something like the S100 or an Irish type road race rather than a full blown TT competitor. It will probably be good for the TT, introducing people to road racing and growing that branch of the sport. It's good that people see a future in road racing to want to get involved in it, good luck to them I say. The TT is more-or-less at capacity as it is, but in any case, something like this would only bolster the TT. Incidentally, I bet there are a few greedy self-aggrandised Isle of Man Government motorsport employees sniffing the lure of money. There's been previous. They know who they are. Edited July 29, 2020 by gettafa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 I wonder how much the public liability insurance will be? An issue is funding. Given the UK government's current penchant for intervening to get things 'done' it wouldn't surprise me if the organisers get an initial windfall from central government to help move it along. And as we know HM Treasury have deeper pockets than IOM Treasury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 18 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said: I wonder how much the public liability insurance will be? An issue is funding. Given the UK government's current penchant for intervening to get things 'done' it wouldn't surprise me if the organisers get an initial windfall from central government to help move it along. And as we know HM Treasury have deeper pockets than IOM Treasury. Plenty of millionaire bikers on the IOW, I know a few who are looking closely at this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 41 minutes ago, gettafa said: The TT is more-or-less at capacity as it is, but in any case, something like this would only bolster the TT. Incidentally, I bet there are a few greedy self-aggrandised Isle of Man Government motorsport employees sniffing the lure of money. There's been previous. They know who they are. So do we. The search for new customers is perpetual, the problem with old customers is, they die! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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