quilp Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, pongo said: But how completely daft that the plant was ever made illegal in the first place. As if it's anyone's business. Government should stick to running the Navy, protecting international trade etc. Interesting link, has some basis in racism, along with the banning of opium and the effect hemp production was having on the timber industries in the US... https://www.ladbible.com/more/uk-interesting-why-is-cannabis-illegal-in-the-uk-20170420 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Ham_N_Eggs said: Not quite. DHSC are responsible for the all of the Island's drug and alcohol policy including the reclassification of drugs; Is that true? I've a feeling we actually automatically use whatever classification the UK uses. I suppose we could theoretically do our own, but equally they could impose whatever they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: Is that true? I've a feeling we actually automatically use whatever classification the UK uses. I suppose we could theoretically do our own, but equally they could impose whatever they want. When the UK temporarily moved cannabis to class C (2004-09) it didn't happen here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombay Bad Boy Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Sin, degradation, vice, insanity and debauchery. Sounds good, where and when? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Many young folk these days suffer from depression and other mental illnesses. How much has the introduction and 'normalization' of cannabis played a part in this? (rhetorical question btw) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 45 minutes ago, Bombay Bad Boy said: Sin, degradation, vice, insanity and debauchery. Sounds good, where and when? Tuesdays usually, Prospect Hill way... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 44 minutes ago, Barlow said: Many young folk these days suffer from depression and other mental illnesses. How much has the introduction and 'normalization' of cannabis played a part in this? (rhetorical question btw) Many (a small percentage of, actually) young and old folk in previous generations have suffered from depression and mental health issues, this is nothing new. There is evidence that cannabis can act as a catalyst and exacerbating underlying pre-conditions rather than being the root cause. I don't agree that there's been a "normalisation" in recent times, was cannabis abnormal to begin with? Is it acceptance as opposed to normalisation? Along with scientific research it has come a long way since the choreographed public-awareness campaigns rolled-out in the early and middle years of the last century to discourage its use. The opposition to legalisation is a hangover of this manufactured paranoia. The vast majority of cannabis users do so without problem, leaving aside the consequences of its illegality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 11 hours ago, TheTeapot said: When the UK temporarily moved cannabis to class C (2004-09) it didn't happen here. I’ll stand corrected, but are you sure? I thought it did, or if it didn’t it was only because of the short time it was reclassified? in general, anything regarding the Misuse ofnDrugs Act is applied directly. It’s one of the few areas where it is ostensibly the same piece of legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 The reclassification lasted for 5 years Derek. Wasn't that enough time for the government of this god-forsaken-lost-in-time backwater to follow suit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, quilp said: Many (a small percentage of, actually) young and old folk in previous generations have suffered from depression and mental health issues, this is nothing new. There is evidence that cannabis can act as a catalyst and exacerbating underlying pre-conditions rather than being the root cause. I don't agree that there's been a "normalisation" in recent times, was cannabis abnormal to begin with? Is it acceptance as opposed to normalisation? Along with scientific research it has come a long way since the choreographed public-awareness campaigns rolled-out in the early and middle years of the last century to discourage its use. The opposition to legalisation is a hangover of this manufactured paranoia. The vast majority of cannabis users do so without problem, leaving aside the consequences of its illegality. Yes, there has always been depression etc. Of course. All ages. When I was a lad, no one smoked cannabis. How do I know? Well I knew. If cannabis was about I'd have been there. Maybe by the time I reached 6th form there were maybe one or two were on the fringes of the scene. 40+ years later most of the kids, all ages, are well aware of cannabis, many choose not to partake, some do, some heavily, some occasionally. I also know youngsters who have depression (I knew none at school, but I appreciate that is not to say there weren't any). Now it is a matter of fact that there are kids with so-called depression, some on medication for it. Again, like cannabis, it is very matter of fact, and there seems to be a lot of them. My own foray into, and experience of the world of cannabis - as a young adult - was mixed, but significantly it was clear that 'just a bit of weed' could result in a sever headfuck. Sometimes lasting, and playing on a persons weaknesses. Not just me but observing others too. Giving kids, growing minds those experiences cannot help their development into adults. Some of the kids it will be all hunky dory, but we're not talking about them, and they should not legislative for all. Edited January 25, 2021 by Barlow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, quilp said: The reclassification lasted for 5 years Derek. Wasn't that enough time for the government of this god-forsaken-lost-in-time backwater to follow suit? We can't rush these things. Traa di liooar and all that. Only emolument matters get that sort of priority. Edited January 25, 2021 by Non-Believer typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadAsHell Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 This story suggests it did change. http://www.isleofman.com/News/details/36316/drug-raids-success Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Bombay Bad Boy said: Sin, degradation, vice, insanity and debauchery. Sounds good, where and when? It's a bit like the government website page on drugs: People use drugs for a variety of reasons. Young people often use drugs for the same reasons that adults do. Some of these include: To have fun To relax and forget problems To gain confidence To socialise Out of curiosity As a form of escapism To lessen inhibitions To remove personal responsibility for decisions To celebrate or commiserate To relieve boredom and stress Self-medication to cope with problems. Friends, parents, older brothers and sisters and the media can also have some influence over a young person's decision to use drugs. After reading that - who wouldn't want to? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 47 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: in general, anything regarding the Misuse of Drugs Act is applied directly. It’s one of the few areas where it is ostensibly the same piece of legislation. Yes I thought that was the case as I'd come across this somewhere and been surprised by it. I suppose it's like pharmaceutical drug, it saves us from having to set up our own mechanisms, though in this case there must be political pressure as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, MadAsHell said: This story suggests it did change. http://www.isleofman.com/News/details/36316/drug-raids-success Thanks. It mentions the reclassification but doesn't confirm it applied to the IoM. I don't actually care what the actual truth of it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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