Cannabis - Time for a re-think?

[TheTeapot]

Fucking insane.

[HeliX]

On 5/29/2021 at 7:08 PM, Barlow said:

So at a push, how about we legalise cannabis but at the same time triple the penalties for class A drugs (coke, heroin etc).

I don't want any of that shit or the shites that feel they have to take it anywhere near me or my family. Druggie bastards the fuggin' lorra them.

"ahhh . . it's only a wee wrap"

Penalties for dealing yes, penalties for possession/taking no. They don't work.

[The Phantom]

15 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

https://www.gov.im/news/2021/jun/11/licence-applications-open-for-islands-medicinal-cannabis-export-sector/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

You can grow it for export.

But if you need it medically, you can't have it. 

If you want to grow it for your own personal use, you can't have it. 

[cissolt]

On 5/29/2021 at 7:08 PM, Barlow said:

So at a push, how about we legalise cannabis but at the same time triple the penalties for class A drugs (coke, heroin etc).

I don't want any of that shit or the shites that feel they have to take it anywhere near me or my family. Druggie bastards the fuggin' lorra them.

"ahhh . . it's only a wee wrap"

Such old tired bollocks.  The drug classification system is part of the problem.  The real issues are societal.  

If alcohol was a class A drug then it would be the most destructive drug on the list.  

Stay away from my family with your half a lager...

[pongo]

6 minutes ago, cissolt said:

If alcohol was a class A drug

orange juice would be illegal (ABV 0.16% - 0.73%)

[Bombay Bad Boy]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/06/08/washington-state-allows-free-marijuana-covid-vaccine/7598398002/

[the stinking enigma]

How much are they charging as salary for working on this thc farm. I'm prepared to pay up to 35k pa no holidays might need chrimbo day off, i'll prob still come in in the morning though.

[philwebs]

 
 I have a question on whether it is possible for Isle of Man politicians to do anything on the local cannabis laws. For all their talk, movement of lips, frank and full discussions, consultations, I am of the view that this all this sound and fury is of no significance. In short they cannot do anything until their masters tell them what they can do.
 
 I think this came in with the Nixon administration. They had a few issues they wanted to deal with. I cannot state in plain text what these issues were, so here are some pictures for you to look at:
 
 https://engagedspirituality.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/nixon-war-on-drugs-quote.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxlcMbgIMAAabge.png

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-69IECUs50Iw/VvLLUTuy_uI/AAAAAAAAca8/gya05_H_stM-QQYHuaGwBES5WPC8tBARg/s640/1.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-u1UYpjwSLIY/V2ATWhZ6uVI/AAAAAAAACPU/EugyQ8y441gFmgG1NZiNcNJqREFyBpgiwCLcB/s320/J_Erlichmn_Wod_quote.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/a47894b2ca8ae6af814c2420b3f8523d/tumblr_ola9p6IMQx1sg0l3to1_500.png

Anslinger 1930, more of the same:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/61/10/36/61103659997b39ad1b5c732007400bcb.jpg

The United States coerced the The United Nations Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, 1961. Nixon ramped this up in his administration.

"This Convention aims to combat drug abuse by coordinated international action. There are two forms of intervention and control that work together. First, it seeks to limit the possession, use, trade in, distribution, import, export, manufacture and production of drugs exclusively to medical and scientific purposes. Second, it combats drug trafficking through international cooperation to deter and discourage drug traffickers.

 The Member States that are participating in this international treaty are to use it as a legal framework for how to schedule and control drugs, including cannabis."
 
 There have been various iterations of this every 10 years or so. The 1972 amendment is of note.
 
 On the 2nd December 2020:
 
 In reviewing a series of World Health Organization (WHO) recommendations on cannabis and its derivatives, the Commission on Narcotic Drugs (CND) zeroed-in on the decision to remove cannabis from Schedule IV of the 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs — where it was listed alongside specific deadly, addictive opioids, including heroin, recognized as having little to no therapeutic purposes.
 
 There have been various changes to cannabis laws in recent years. CBD was legalised just a few years ago (2016 ?) and you can buy it down Strand Street. There was no fanfare, it just happened.
 
 Medical cannabis was reluctantly legalised in the UK in 2018, still with a lot of restrictions, after the then Home Secretary relented after the public outcry over Billy Caldwell and Alfie Dingley:
 
 https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/26/medicinal-cannabis-how-two-heartbreaking-cases-helped-change-law
 
 I assume the Isle of Man government just rubber stamped whatever they were told to do. There was no fanfare.
 
 To legalise cannabis would require either amending the Single Convention or leaving the treaty as a whole. For all their bluster the Isle of Man Government can do neither, and all their noise on the matter is most likely of little significance. When cannabis is legalised there is likely to be no fanfare, it will just appear in shops as with CBD. Ask a Canadian what they noticed on legalisation, nothing much.
 
 As for the future the US Government is making noises about Federally legalising cannabis. That would bring the house of cards down. Canada, Uruguay, and others have in whole or tacitly legalised cannabis.
 
 As a follow on question when all this comes to an end will there be any restitution for those who were victims? How about retribution against those who applied all of this? Does "I was only following orders" or I did not know still work.
 
 Just some musings which are only my usually misguided opinions. Your observations and opinions appreciated.

[SleepyJoe]

House of Representatives has passed a bill to legalize cannabis - just the Senate & Biden standing in the way now

[Bombay Bad Boy]

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/step-forward-for-private-cannabis-prescription/

[quilp]

Those private prescriptions will be twice the price of street weed, you watch. In some states where it isn't legal for all, and sold out of licensed pharmacies there's been grumbling that the prices are too high and the THC strength is low thus encouraging people who're allowed to possess instead buying their stash from street dealers for the above reasons... 

[Ham_N_Eggs]

2 hours ago, quilp said:

Those private prescriptions will be twice the price of street weed, you watch. In some states where it isn't legal for all, and sold out of licensed pharmacies there's been grumbling that the prices are too high and the THC strength is low thus encouraging people who're allowed to possess instead buying their stash from street dealers for the above reasons... 

It won't be weed it'll be sativex and other similar products. So the price will be insanely high. Ashford said they will only be able to prescribe products that are legal in the UK otherwise people might have issues travelling and they'll be a risk of every shipment out of the Island being searched. Of course if we are already producing and shipping out medicinal cannabis via the UK to other parts of the world that arguement doesn't hold any water. 

[Pipsqueak]

59 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

It won't be weed it'll be sativex and other similar products. So the price will be insanely high. Ashford said they will only be able to prescribe products that are legal in the UK otherwise people might have issues travelling and they'll be a risk of every shipment out of the Island being searched. Of course if we are already producing and shipping out medicinal cannabis via the UK to other parts of the world that arguement doesn't hold any water. 

most of ashies arguments have proved not to hold water

[display name]

5 minutes ago, Pipsqueak said:

most of ashies arguments have proved not to hold water

Dear Liza dear Liza....

[Johnny F]

On 6/12/2021 at 9:09 AM, philwebs said:

 
 I have a question on whether it is possible for Isle of Man politicians to do anything on the local cannabis laws. For all their talk, movement of lips, frank and full discussions, consultations, I am of the view that this all this sound and fury is of no significance. In short they cannot do anything until their masters tell them what they can do.
 
 I think this came in with the Nixon administration. They had a few issues they wanted to deal with. I cannot state in plain text what these issues were, so here are some pictures for you to look at:
 
https://engagedspirituality.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/nixon-war-on-drugs-quote.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxlcMbgIMAAabge.png

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-69IECUs50Iw/VvLLUTuy_uI/AAAAAAAAca8/gya05_H_stM-QQYHuaGwBES5WPC8tBARg/s640/1.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-u1UYpjwSLIY/V2ATWhZ6uVI/AAAAAAAACPU/EugyQ8y441gFmgG1NZiNcNJqREFyBpgiwCLcB/s320/J_Erlichmn_Wod_quote.jpg

https://66.media.tumblr.com/a47894b2ca8ae6af814c2420b3f8523d/tumblr_ola9p6IMQx1sg0l3to1_500.png

Anslinger 1930, more of the same:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/61/10/36/61103659997b39ad1b5c732007400bcb.jpg

The United States coerced the The United Nations Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, 1961. Nixon ramped this up in his administration.

"This Convention aims to combat drug abuse by coordinated international action. There are two forms of intervention and control that work together. First, it seeks to limit the possession, use, trade in, distribution, import, export, manufacture and production of drugs exclusively to medical and scientific purposes. Second, it combats drug trafficking through international cooperation to deter and discourage drug traffickers.

 The Member States that are participating in this international treaty are to use it as a legal framework for how to schedule and control drugs, including cannabis."
 
 There have been various iterations of this every 10 years or so. The 1972 amendment is of note.
 
 On the 2nd December 2020:
 
 In reviewing a series of World Health Organization (WHO) recommendations on cannabis and its derivatives, the Commission on Narcotic Drugs (CND) zeroed-in on the decision to remove cannabis from Schedule IV of the 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs — where it was listed alongside specific deadly, addictive opioids, including heroin, recognized as having little to no therapeutic purposes.
 
 There have been various changes to cannabis laws in recent years. CBD was legalised just a few years ago (2016 ?) and you can buy it down Strand Street. There was no fanfare, it just happened.
 
 Medical cannabis was reluctantly legalised in the UK in 2018, still with a lot of restrictions, after the then Home Secretary relented after the public outcry over Billy Caldwell and Alfie Dingley:
 
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/26/medicinal-cannabis-how-two-heartbreaking-cases-helped-change-law
 
 I assume the Isle of Man government just rubber stamped whatever they were told to do. There was no fanfare.
 
 To legalise cannabis would require either amending the Single Convention or leaving the treaty as a whole. For all their bluster the Isle of Man Government can do neither, and all their noise on the matter is most likely of little significance. When cannabis is legalised there is likely to be no fanfare, it will just appear in shops as with CBD. Ask a Canadian what they noticed on legalisation, nothing much.
 
 As for the future the US Government is making noises about Federally legalising cannabis. That would bring the house of cards down. Canada, Uruguay, and others have in whole or tacitly legalised cannabis.
 
 As a follow on question when all this comes to an end will there be any restitution for those who were victims? How about retribution against those who applied all of this? Does "I was only following orders" or I did not know still work.
 
 Just some musings which are only my usually misguided opinions. Your observations and opinions appreciated.

Jesus Philwebs, try and keep your pots a bit shorter will you, I came on here for a quick read to suss out the general feeling towards cannabis and you're overloading me.