John Wright Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, The Phantom said: 1. I didn't compare the IoM to anywhere else. Just wanted to be clear what you meant by “here”. These things don’t happen in isolation. As for your anecdotal evidence; as we both agree there’s no proof, and people are notoriously unreliable at self assessing impairment. Plus I suspect, much more than alcohol, it varies with the individual, plus strength is an unknown. What is bizarre, and without reason, is that the English and Manx drink drive level is the highest level, it’s 67% higher than the standard. And the minimum drug drive disqualification here is at least double that elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 18 minutes ago, John Wright said: Is that the English and Manx drink drive level is the highest level, it’s 67% higher than the standard. And the minimum drug drive disqualification here is at least double that elsewhere. Standard? As in the general figure in e.g. Europe? Do they actually ever drink drive test people in Europe (known for their boozy lunches) unless they are clearly paralytic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 hour ago, The Phantom said: Standard? As in the general figure in e.g. Europe? Do they actually ever drink drive test people in Europe (known for their boozy lunches) unless they are clearly paralytic? Yes. England & IoM are 80ug in blood. Scotland, Ireland and most of Europe are 50ug or lower. Europe runs from the med, to the arctic, the Balkans. From boozy lunches to quite austere. Yes. They test for drink drive, often randomly, and much of Europe has greater drink drive arrest and conviction rates than even IoM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 58 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Except with Alcohol, they actually did some research to come up with figures regarding impairment to driving. Here they literally just made up a figure that was actually contrary to what was advised. Also people who have had a single standard drink are generally not over the limit and certainly won't be for days afterwards, contrary to the current situation with our Drug Driving. The figure is too high, judging by the driving standards of the cannabis druggies that have been caught and who have been found to be just over the limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, offshoremanxman said: Everyone’s tolerances are different and you’ve got absolutely no idea of the qualify of weed you might be buying as it’s an illegal drug. Unlike alcohol there isn’t a standard “unit” so it’s luck of the draw really. You buy a strong batch and your more impacted than you think and you fail a drugs test. Simple as that. What about if you grow your own though? The seed strains you buy generally have a guideline regarding their THC % potency and these are generally fairly ambitious and subject to ideal growing conditions (so I'm told) so actually you'd have pretty good idea. Same would apply if you could buy it over the counter, strengths are measured and quoted. Edited April 28, 2023 by The Phantom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Just now, The Phantom said: Same would apply if you could buy it over the counter, strengths are measured and quoted. This is sort of where I’m coming from. A legal limit for an illegal drug is basically nonsensical as unlike alcohol you’re not buying it from a licensed legitimate source so how can you possibly know what the safe limit is as you’ve no idea who has grown it or touched it in the distribution chain. Better to decriminalize it and allow it to be sold legally then a testing limit would mean something. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 21 hours ago, Barlow said: The figure is too high, judging by the driving standards of the cannabis druggies that have been caught and who have been found to be just over the limit. Can you show evidence of this please? Most of the people being caught are stopped due to routine checks or flimsy insurance checks. Less than 5% due to alleged driving issues, and even less charged with said driving issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxanne Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 2 hours ago, cissolt said: Can you show evidence of this please? Lolz. Behave. No chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, cissolt said: Can you show evidence of this please? Most of the people being caught are stopped due to routine checks or flimsy insurance checks. Less than 5% due to alleged driving issues, and even less charged with said driving issues. ICBA looking but there have been a number of cases recently. One where the advocate tried for leniency as the driver was 'only a little bit over the limit'. Even though the state of driving was somewhat poor. Conclusion - the limit is too low. A previous post gave a link which described the state of the druggie driver here: On 4/14/2023 at 10:19 AM, Barlow said: Not much is going to change when there is an increase of people driving on our roads impaired through cannabis use. link Police reported that the vehicle was swerving in the road and slowing down so they stopped Higgins on Belmont Hill. Officers described the 18-year-old as having bloodshot eyes, being lethargic, and slurring his speech. . After being taken to police headquarters, a blood sample was taken which later produced a reading of 3.9. The legal limit for cannabis is two Hey kids....do them spliffs as much as you want, it's your brain that is being rotted, but please...please...keep off the fucking roads. Edited April 29, 2023 by Barlow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshoremanxman Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 14 hours ago, Barlow said: Hey kids....do them spliffs as much as you want, it's your brain that is being rotted, but please...please...keep off the fucking roads. Wow those symptoms sound exactly like a driver who was pissed. Do people drive when drunk too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, offshoremanxman said: Wow those symptoms sound exactly like a driver who was pissed. Do people drive when drunk too? You got me there. Touché and all that. I'm beat with your intelligent argument. Edited April 30, 2023 by Barlow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 19 minutes ago, Stevenadry said: I really appreciate you initiating this conversation about cannabis and the need for a re-think. It's fascinating to consider the varying limits and regulations across different regions, including the Isle of Man (IoM) and the rest of Europe. While the IoM limit may not be deemed low by international standards, the lack of sufficient research on impairment levels and duration remains a crucial concern. How do bots get new accounts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 (edited) Here’s an idea. Don’t take illegal drugs. Then drug driving is not something you need to worry about. Edited May 15, 2023 by The Voice of Reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiVibes Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Here’s an idea. Don’t take illegal drugs. Then drug driving is not something you need to worry about. Even better ban cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 1 minute ago, HiVibes said: Even better ban cars. For everyone, or just those over, what, 35? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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