Spat between Chief Minister and Dr Glover

[Gladys]

5 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Yet he was still voted in by his constituents not an awfully long time ago. How did that happen?

How do any of the nodding dogs and granny farmers get in?

[Apple]

4 minutes ago, Gladys said:

How do any of the nodding dogs and granny farmers get in?

By doing exactly what you described.

There are really only a very few movers and shakers though in the House really. Most are just for window dressing in my view. 

A few of them have gone very quiet lately...is something going on?

[Non-Believer]

21 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Yet he was still voted in by his constituents not an awfully long time ago. How did that happen?

A farmer? Voted in by a largely rural farming community who doubtless promised him their voter support in return for his pledges for them and being one, he'd know exactly which ones to make. And I'd suggest that those are the pledges he's been most likely to keep.

Eddie Teare was another, from Methodist farming stock, voted in by his ilk. But these two aren't by any means alone, many are not voted in on their recognition and knowledge of the bigger picture, that's something they're just miraculously expected to pick up and deal with once they're in.

[Itsmeee]

On 12/8/2020 at 12:25 PM, Nom de plume said:

Without Rachel & her company can the Manx Government implement and administer an adequate testing policy that can allow us to move through the border framework levels or is it now we've simply gone all in on the vaccine? 

 

That’s a bloody good question. 

[Andy Onchan]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Yet he was still voted in by his constituents not an awfully long time ago. How did that happen?

He polled less than Shimmins in 2016 and scraped in by 115 votes ahead of Paul Craine to get a Seat. Hardly a ringing endorsement, was it? 

[Barlow]

51 minutes ago, Apple said:

By doing exactly what you described.

There are really only a very few movers and shakers though in the House really. Most are just for window dressing in my view. 

A few of them have gone very quiet lately...is something going on?

Manx Radio used to keep the people of the Isle of Man up to date with what our elected representatives were doing. Morning Mandate was very good for that.

Alex Brindley, as Programme Controller, has little intelligent knowledge of politics and clearly feels we need not know what Tynwald members are up to, but rather where is Harley Hiding?

And I wonder what the heck Johnnie Moss does these days. Yes, he does sit in the Manx Radio box during Tynwald and House of Keys sittings and provides the very occasional bit of light heartedness feedback should there be any, but Paul Moulton/IoMTV and Isle of Man Newspapers (and 3fm/Energy, GtM) do a far better job of informing us.

For operating costs and - as the so-called Public Service Broadcaster - Manx Radio received well over £1million of taxpayers money this year. Isle of Man Newspapers £0. Isle of Man TV £0.

[TerryFuchwit]

9 hours ago, Uhtred said:

I’d still like to know why there’s a need to inflate the salary bill by £3.5 million just to kick-start our health ‘transformation’. 

Why wouldn't there be? It's essentially a separate thing.  Born out of the Michaels report.  Were people expecting what amounts to an audit report to produce less layers and red tape?

[Andy Onchan]

19 minutes ago, TerryFuchwit said:

Why wouldn't there be? It's essentially a separate thing.  Born out of the Michaels report.  Were people expecting what amounts to an audit report to produce less layers and red tape?

The £3.5 million is just the starters. For every director, senior manager there'll be an assistant or deputy, or deputy assistant even. The expenditure will just rumble on in time honoured CS fashion with very little regard to the coal face workers and with no real benefit to or for the patient. Waiting lists will still exist, shortage of GPs, mental health provision will continue to fail and the addiction services will still have to rely on handouts from the Lottery Trust. 

Deckchair moving on a grand scale.

Edited December 10, 2020 by Andy Onchan

[The Voice of Reason]

33 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

He polled less than Shimmins in 2016 and scraped in by 115 votes ahead of Paul Craine to get a Seat. Hardly a ringing endorsement, was it? .

 

 

It was an endorsement, ringing or not. That’s how democracy works. Do you not understand that?

Edited December 10, 2020 by The Voice of Reason

[The Voice of Reason]

1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

A farmer? Voted in by a largely rural farming community who doubtless promised him their voter support in return for his pledges for them and being one, he'd know exactly which ones to make. And I'd suggest that those are the pledges he's been most likely to keep.

Eddie Teare was another, from Methodist farming stock, voted in by his ilk. But these two aren't by any means alone, many are not voted in on their recognition and knowledge of the bigger picture, that's something they're just miraculously expected to pick up and deal with once they're in.

Silly old farmers they don’t know anything apart from tractors do they?

And Dr Allinson surely all he knows about is medicine? . He obviously has no clue, like the farmers, about the bigger picture. He and his peers are miraculously expected to pick this up and deal with it.

[quilp]

You're strawmanning. Again. 

[Non-Believer]

3 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

Silly old farmers they don’t know anything apart from tractors do they?

And Dr Allinson surely all he knows about is medicine? . He obviously has no clue, like the farmers, about the bigger picture. He and his peers are miraculously expected to pick this up and deal with it.

What experience do any of them have in the management of national political matters before they're voted in? Very little, Dr Allinson did one term with Ramsey Commissioners. Quayle I don't know about, but they all make wondrous promises on the doorstep, few of which have any foundation in reality because policy is then formed by the Chief Minister, unelected by the public. But none of them at that stage have any experience of national or international political matters - they have to learn on the job. Some learn quicker than others...others are just downright dangerous and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near it.

But they weren't elected for those reasons. Who of the electorate voted for HQ because they thought he'd make a CM? None.

[The Voice of Reason]

8 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

What experience do any of them have in the management of national political matters before they're voted in? 

None whatsoever. It’s only when they are voted in that they begin to acquire  experience of management of national political matters, as you acknowledge.

Edited December 10, 2020 by The Voice of Reason

[quilp]

10 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said:

It’s only when they are voted in that they begin to acquire  experience of management of national political matters, as you acknowledge.

Yet when prospective candidates appear on the doorstep they're full of political venture and will talk freely on current local political matters. They produce a politicised manifesto and allude to much, make promises of action if you vote them in. Promises, no matter how well-intentioned, they really shouldn't make as they actually amount to little. Once in, they are then bound not by the other members themselves but by a host of powerful career civil-servants which dictate future-proof policy. 

[TerryFuchwit]

35 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

What experience do any of them have in the management of national political matters before they're voted in? Very little, Dr Allinson did one term with Ramsey Commissioners. Quayle I don't know about, but they all make wondrous promises on the doorstep, few of which have any foundation in reality because policy is then formed by the Chief Minister, unelected by the public. But none of them at that stage have any experience of national or international political matters - they have to learn on the job. Some learn quicker than others...others are just downright dangerous and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near it.

But they weren't elected for those reasons. Who of the electorate voted for HQ because they thought he'd make a CM? None.

What's the answer then?  It's a democracy.  Anyone can stand.  Regardless of background.  

What sort of people do you want in? Business leaders? Lawyers? Who ticks your boxes? Apart from no one really because crtisicising is easier.

Campaigns for election is about your beliefs and what you want to do.  I guess a number get elected believing they'll walk in on the Monday morning and click their fingers and sort everything.  But it isnt like that.

To ensure election for another term the key is how you interact with your voters on a personal level.  Im no fan of Mr. Callister but he will sail back in for Onchan.  Because he does the small time touchy feely stuff well.  Not because he's any good at managing anything or putting civil servants where they need to be.