The Voice of Reason Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: May I just ask. Do you believe the IOMG pretended it was leading the world in the prevention of COVID?. And if so how? I’ll throw that open to everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: I’ll throw that open to everyone I don't believe the IoM Gov pretended to lead the world in the prevention of covid as worded in your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Roxanne said: That’s big of you. Of course I shall answer, but only after you answer mine. It’s only polite. He's so full of it, isn't he? In fact, if he was given an enema on his deathbed they'd be able to bury him in a matchbox. Edited April 13, 2021 by quilp Att. Christopher Hitchens. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: I don't believe the IoM Gov pretended to lead the world in the prevention of covid as worded in your question. Or, for the avoidance of any doubt as worded by Code99 “ the IOM Govt pretended to lead the world in how to effectively manage COVID”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, Roxanne said: That’s big of you. Of course I shall answer, but only after you answer mine. It’s only polite. OK Fair enough. Neither Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, quilp said: He's so full of it, isn't he? In fact, if he was given an enema on his deathbed they'd be able to bury him in a matchbox. I'll use that one that's fabulous LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said: He/they could have been really modest and turned down any interviews. That would have been the sensible thing to do. Sometimes, less is more. Knowing which PR MO to use and when to apply it takes a certain skill. The CO have lots of PR people but it seems they don't really understand how to use it. Seriously? Turn down interviews re good news would be sensible ? Those gained the IOM a lot of favourable coverage which has not been negated by subsequent events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 25 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: May I just ask. Do you believe the IOMG pretended it was leading the world in the prevention of COVID?. And if so how? On the surface, for many months we certainly were one of the leaders, alongside jurisdictions such as New Zealand. Little did we, the Great Manx Public, know there were huge gaps in our defences. The tragedy is that it appears the IOMG also had no idea. They are the people who should have known and should have closed those gaping holes before they became the economic and social disasters we are dealing with today, and will be for the foreseeable future. The majority of the GMP at one time were rightly proud of our covid response and it can only follow that the people who make up the IOMG were also proud of our response. While the GMP can be forgiven for our possibly misplaced pride as we were not and are not privy to the inner workings of the response, it turns out that the pride of IOMG was little more than arrogant hubris. Did the IOMG pretend they led the world's covid response? No, they seemed to genuinely believe they were amongst the best. However, in their arrogance and blindness to their own failings, their unwillingness to admit mistakes, their lack of transparency and refusal to take into account local expert advice, they let us all down. 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Zarley said: On the surface, for many months we certainly were one of the leaders, alongside jurisdictions such as New Zealand. Little did we, the Great Manx Public, know there were huge gaps in our defences. The tragedy is that it appears the IOMG also had no idea. They are the people who should have known and should have closed those gaping holes before they became the economic and social disasters we are dealing with today, and will be for the foreseeable future. The majority of the GMP at one time were rightly proud of our covid response and it can only follow that the people who make up the IOMG were also proud of our response. While the GMP can be forgiven for our possibly misplaced pride as we were not and are not privy to the inner workings of the response, it turns out that the pride of IOMG was little more than arrogant hubris. Did the IOMG pretend they led the world's covid response? No, they seemed to genuinely believe they were amongst the best. However, in their arrogance and blindness to their own failings, their unwillingness to admit mistakes, their lack of transparency and refusal to take into account local expert advice, they let us all down. This 110%. See also DA's assertion that covid causes strokes. He MUST substantiate that claim. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, The Voice of Reason said: Seriously? Turn down interviews re good news would be sensible ? Those gained the IOM a lot of favourable coverage which has not been negated by subsequent events. As I said, knowing why and when to do it is a skill. Don't go public on something that is outwith your control. The lockdown following those interviews says it all. IOMG never had it under control. The IOMSPCo "misunderstanding" fiasco proved that. The CO PR people, much like a lot of others in the Manx CS, haven't learnt anything either. Unless you're suggesting that HRH The CM just did it all without referring to the PR people? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gladys said: See also DA's assertion that covid causes strokes. Strokes to the ego, initially? And an MBE... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Andy Onchan said: As I said, knowing why and when to do it is a skill. Don't go public on something that is outwith your control. The lockdown following those interviews says it all. IOMG never had it under control. The IOMSPCo "misunderstanding" fiasco proved that. The CO PR people, much like a lot of others in the Manx CS, haven't learnt anything either. Unless you're suggesting that HRH The CM just did it all without referring to the PR people? PR involvement or not, somebody so where got it right Taken over the whole of this period, the IOM received more credits than brickbats. (apart from a few grumpy gits on MF in whose eyes they can never do right) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Non-Believer said: Strokes to the ego, initially? And an MBE... Good one. Different strokes for different folks. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, Zarley said: On the surface, for many months we certainly were one of the leaders, alongside jurisdictions such as New Zealand. Little did we, the Great Manx Public, know there were huge gaps in our defences. The tragedy is that it appears the IOMG also had no idea. They are the people who should have known and should have closed those gaping holes before they became the economic and social disasters we are dealing with today, and will be for the foreseeable future. The majority of the GMP at one time were rightly proud of our covid response and it can only follow that the people who make up the IOMG were also proud of our response. While the GMP can be forgiven for our possibly misplaced pride as we were not and are not privy to the inner workings of the response, it turns out that the pride of IOMG was little more than arrogant hubris. Did the IOMG pretend they led the world's covid response? No, they seemed to genuinely believe they were amongst the best. However, in their arrogance and blindness to their own failings, their unwillingness to admit mistakes, their lack of transparency and refusal to take into account local expert advice, they let us all down. As Roger said earlier in the thread not having testing in place for IOMSPCo staff really was the biggest error of judgement. Or in their words 'misunderstanding'. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: PR involvement or not, somebody so where got it right Taken over the whole of this period, the IOM received more credits than brickbats. (apart from a few grumpy gits on MF in whose eyes they can never do right) We've had two lockdowns this year. We're in the fourth month. Your support for this regime is appalling. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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