Annoymouse Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Mr Ashford continually swerves the point, genomics is a crucial part of track and trace, it’s not just about what variant it is, Dr Glover has explained it in layman’s term, it’s literally like drawing a dot to dot, which would be very useful when unexplained cases were cropping up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Annoymouse said: Mr Ashford continually swerves the point, genomics is a crucial part of track and trace, it’s not just about what variant it is, Dr Glover has explained it in layman’s term, it’s literally like drawing a dot to dot, which would be very useful when unexplained cases were cropping up. Like several posters on these forums, he purposefully chooses to not understand. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 How many times has reference been made to Quayle and Ashford rolling their eyes just at the mention of RG's name during pressers? Now Ashford and his magical letter suddenly couldn't praise her efforts enough during such pressers. Very strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarley Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, Pipsqueak said: so greenhow is responsible for something then ?? somebody in government actually responsible for something ?? i need a drink. Have one for me while you're at it. Whiskey on the rocks, on the Rock. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: How many times has reference been made to Quayle and Ashford rolling their eyes just at the mention of RG's name during pressers? Now Ashford and his magical letter suddenly couldn't praise her efforts enough during such pressers. Very strange. It’s obviously all been a dreadful misunderstanding. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 All they had to do was provide Dr Glover with the samples and tell her to prove what she could do. She was offering her help for free for goodness sake, instead they formed the opinion that genomics was only useful as a past snapshot in time and that it would serve no purpose, they made their minds up before they had even seen the evidence. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Paul should have asked more important questions such as the destruction of early samples and the sending off island samples without ethical approval. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhumsaa Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 56 minutes ago, Annoymouse said: someone buy him a stand for his webcam or teach him how to frame himself for a zoom chat 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annoymouse Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 (edited) Unfortunately for them, as soon as Dr Glover gets her hands on those samples she’ll prove exactly what she can do and more crucially what impact it would’ve had if they had the information earlier, I wonder how many hours of track and trace could’ve been saved. Edited April 5, 2021 by Annoymouse 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
code99 Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 51 minutes ago, Annoymouse said: All they had to do was provide Dr Glover with the samples and tell her to prove what she could do. She was offering her help for free for goodness sake, instead they formed the opinion that genomics was only useful as a past snapshot in time and that it would serve no purpose, they made their minds up before they had even seen the evidence. They have indeed (surely we can trust Mr Harmer's expertise...) "Policy and Reform Minister Ray Harmer said rapid genomic sequencing simply confirms what is already known though the usual methods including contact tracing. He said the New Year cluster and the current Steam Packet one could clearly be linked back to a single travel related event. ’It simply would not stop the spread,’ he told Tynwald. The situation in the UK was different, he said, as there are a large number of cases which might be sporadic. He said the potential role of rapid genomic sequencing as part of the public health response was currently subject to an ongoing trial in the UK. Health Minister David Ashford pointed out that by the time the first case has generally been identified it will already have spread regardless of what the variant is. ’Knowing what variant it is at the moment does not necessarily prevent the seeding that will have already taken place in the community,’ he said. Mr Ashford said it was like a large jigsaw puzzle where not all the pieces are present, and genomic sequencing can only give a picture of the cases you know about." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 They're so astonishingly fucking thick. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Boris Johnson said: Not very plausible in my opinion, I have very specialised software with my own modifications. I have it on the main PC in the office but I also have several copies backed up in different locations inc the cloud. Who doesn't do that? Presumably, the replacement robot was supplied with software to allow it to function. Dr Glover did say (in her testimony, if I remember correctly) that she had deleted several copies of the software, and presumably, having set the whole thing up, she would have known where the back ups were. Whatever, the new robot was left inoperative, so something happened to the software it would have been supplied with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Newbie said: Presumably, the replacement robot was supplied with software to allow it to function. Dr Glover did say (in her testimony, if I remember correctly) that she had deleted several copies of the software, and presumably, having set the whole thing up, she would have known where the back ups were. Whatever, the new robot was left inoperative, so something happened to the software it would have been supplied with. As I remember from PAC, it was supplied with software that made it work, but you had to provide bespoke coding to make it pick up the particular test tubes etc that you were testing. A bit like a microwave - it comes with the software to make it work, timer, set programmes etc. but you have to set parameters when putting something that doesn't fall within the set programmes. It was that software that RG had written for her own robot that she invited the lab to licence and that she said was being copied by the staff member. She also said that the AG's letter gave three different scenarios for that- she had given permission, that the path lab had written their own software and that the supplier had provided it. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 33 minutes ago, Gladys said: As I remember from PAC, it was supplied with software that made it work, but you had to provide bespoke coding to make it pick up the particular test tubes etc that you were testing. A bit like a microwave - it comes with the software to make it work, timer, set programmes etc. but you have to set parameters when putting something that doesn't fall within the set programmes. It was that software that RG had written for her own robot that she invited the lab to licence and that she said was being copied by the staff member. She also said that the AG's letter gave three different scenarios for that- she had given permission, that the path lab had written their own software and that the supplier had provided it. Thanks, that makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachomics Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 (edited) Ouch, this thread is back. Not unexpected I suppose. Edited April 6, 2021 by rachomics 13 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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