Rhumsaa Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, code99 said: During the long period when we had no cases the IOMG should have been developing the plan that they did not have. I don't know for sure how accurate your summary is entirely but I suspect that the above quoted statement is true and probably can be applied across a number of areas. I think we sat back and felt the job was done by September and we can coast in for the rest of the pandemic no need to put anything else in place. Then the UK spike happened late Autumn and Winter and we got some humble pie ETA -I'm saying we as in the IOM (be it Government or general populace) rather than any specific "we's". Edited April 13, 2021 by Rhumsaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Rhumsaa said: Don't disagree entirely but it was also timing, people were scared and lengthy explanations about that sort of thing didn't get over as well as 3 word slogans That's where JVT excelled, IMHO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: Indeed...I found this the other day when I was researching something on Boris...it refers to journalist Petronella Wyatt. Is this not common knowledge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Is this not common knowledge? I'm sure it is. In which case it can be discussed in public. What of it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Uhtred said: It’s most interesting that track and trace, an unmitigated and massively expensive disaster was a private sector operation whereas the superb vaccine rollout is the work of the NHS. Track, trace and isolate and lots and lots of public money was given to Serco the chairman of which, surprise surprise, is a tory donor....! They tacked "NHS" on to the front of "Track Trace and Isolate" because it was such a disaster they hoped the hard of thinking would think it was an NHS operation and thus shouldn't be criticised. What a bunch of sleazeballs.... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: I'm sure it is. In which case it can be discussed in public. What of it? Nothing really except that it was presented as some sort of major revelation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Nothing really except that it was presented as some sort of major revelation. Only in your head. It's on Wiki, along with all his other questionable moral behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Well, it will be two weeks tomorrow since RG's evidence to PAC. We were promised a rebuttal last week, then in the early part of this week. Perhaps tomorrow? It may well be that constructive discussion is now ongoing with RG or they are holding off to present to PAC or the rebuttals are not that easy or the staff involved are still on holiday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taskmaster Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Gladys said: Well, it will be two weeks tomorrow since RG's evidence to PAC. We were promised a rebuttal last week, then in the early part of this week. Perhaps tomorrow? It may well be that constructive discussion is now ongoing with RG or they are holding off to present to PAC or the rebuttals are not that easy or the staff involved are still on holiday. Non disclosure agreement being framed. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Johnson Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Gladys said: Well, it will be two weeks tomorrow since RG's evidence to PAC. We were promised a rebuttal last week, then in the early part of this week. Perhaps tomorrow? It may well be that constructive discussion is now ongoing with RG or they are holding off to present to PAC or the rebuttals are not that easy or the staff involved are still on holiday. Rebuttals that may have to be said under oath can be a bit more difficult? Edited April 14, 2021 by Boris Johnson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taskmaster Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Just now, Boris Johnson said: Rebuttals that may have to be said under oath became a bit more difficult? Her PAC disclosures are protected by legal privilege, any of their rebuttals outside of a PAC hearing leave them open to legal action. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KERED Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 9 hours ago, Gladys said: Well, it will be two weeks tomorrow since RG's evidence to PAC. We were promised a rebuttal last week, then in the early part of this week. Perhaps tomorrow? It may well be that constructive discussion is now ongoing with RG or they are holding off to present to PAC or the rebuttals are not that easy or the staff involved are still on holiday. Patience, Glad! The rebuttal will be issued in the coming days, (Remember, Ashie gave his hard-working staff Easter off.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx Yeller Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 9 hours ago, Gladys said: It may well be that constructive discussion is now ongoing with RG I really hope so @Gladys. To me, one of the big issues going forward is going to be different strains that the current vaccines may not work as well for. Having agreed that Hooper phrase about "robust and speedy system of genomic testing", if we don't get something on Island and therefore know about new strains within a day or so rather than a week or 2 so that advice can be given accordingly, we'll be shooting ourselves in the foot *again* Maybe @Julie Edge (Onchan)could ask whether any progress is being made on this? PS. I'm ignoring all the other help that genomics could provide for tracing transmission as I'm hoping we won't get any more large outbreaks as the Government will be all over that having learned all the lessons from the previous outbreaks... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 10 hours ago, Gladys said: Well, it will be two weeks tomorrow since RG's evidence to PAC. We were promised a rebuttal last week, then in the early part of this week. Perhaps tomorrow? It may well be that constructive discussion is now ongoing with RG or they are holding off to present to PAC or the rebuttals are not that easy or the staff involved are still on holiday. Well I expect Howard etc are hoping that with his announcement of restrictions being lifted next week & forthcoming announcement on borders changes that everyone will forget about this distraction and move on😀 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 10 hours ago, Taskmaster said: Non disclosure agreement being framed. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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