TerryFuchwit Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 28 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said: So i'm right then yes? In your mind. Not in reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 2 hours ago, TerryFuchwit said: The last part of Roger Toxic's post said that the Chief Secretary was basically doing what he liked. If you cannot see how ridiculous that statement is then I cant help you. What I actually said was: 20 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: There's actually another point here, which is "Who does advise CoMin directly?". And the answer appears to be the Chief Secretary and only the Chief Secretary. Any other advice always gets channelled through him, to be ignored or modified as he sees fit. And if you look at the Government's own organisation chart: you'll see that everything does go through the Chief Secretary. Technically it goes via the National Strategy Group, but as that includes four members of CoMin (CM, Treasury, DHSC, DfE) [1], effectively that's where decisions will be taken. And the Chief Secretary controls what goes to it. [1] Rather oddly it includes five CEOs including the Chief Secretary because the DHA CEO is on it but not the Minister. Which tells you what they think of Cregeen. Even for a Committee that also includes Skelly. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 23 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: What I actually said was: And if you look at the Government's own organisation chart: you'll see that everything does go through the Chief Secretary. Technically it goes via the National Strategy Group, but as that includes four members of CoMin (CM, Treasury, DHSC, DfE) [1], effectively that's where decisions will be taken. And the Chief Secretary controls what goes to it. [1] Rather oddly it includes five CEOs including the Chief Secretary because the DHA CEO is on it but not the Minister. Which tells you what they think of Cregeen. Even for a Committee that also includes Skelly. Where does it say on thay structure chart that the Chief Secrstary "ignores or modifies as he sees fit"? That's something you are making up Roger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Roxanne said: What else would he do? Pass up every single piece of advice rather than sift through, delete or modify? Isn’t it his job to do just that? Just because RM used different words you’ve jumped on him. You’ll do anything for a scrap, you will. Not at all. Although people like you will take everything he writes as gospel. It is being presented by Roger that the Chief Secretary is basically singularly deciding what happens in relation to covid etc. Which simply isn't true. It's a stupid as saying Howard Quayle walks in and tells CoMin what the decisions are. People actually believe that sort of shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 6 hours ago, TerryFuchwit said: It's a stupid as saying Howard Quayle walks in and tells CoMin what the decisions are. People actually believe that sort of shit. 12K a year has a very loud voice though ! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Looks like you are well out of your depth again mr fuchwit. My advice, though i don't expect you to take it, would be to stop embarrassing yourself. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I don't think Sir Humphrey Appleby could have explained it better. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/dhsc-claims-it-will-correct-the-position-over-glover-allegations/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryFuchwit Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, the stinking enigma said: Looks like you are well out of your depth again mr fuchwit. My advice, though i don't expect you to take it, would be to stop embarrassing yourself. That's a bit hypocritical of you to be fair. Issuing that sort of advice. If it's good enough for you to constantly embarrass yourself don't advise others. That aside, you asked me to give you one rebuttal to Roger's original post. Which I did. I can't be held responsible if you don't understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhtred Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Holte End said: I don't think Sir Humphrey Appleby could have explained it better. https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/dhsc-claims-it-will-correct-the-position-over-glover-allegations/ And here is the final paragraph of that journalistic tour de force: It had promised a complete rebuttal of Dr Glover's claims, including a timeline of events, but that hasn't been published publicily any yet. Well, when it is published publicly any yet, I’ll be interestedly interested any yet in what it sayingly says publicly published, that’s for sure...any yet. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, Uhtred said: And here is the final paragraph of that journalistic tour de force: It had promised a complete rebuttal of Dr Glover's claims, including a timeline of events, but that hasn't been published publicily any yet. Well, when it is published publicly any yet, I’ll be interestedly interested any yet in what it sayingly says publicly published, that’s for sure...any yet. Waiting with baited breath !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 hours ago, TerryFuchwit said: That's a bit hypocritical of you to be fair. Issuing that sort of advice. If it's good enough for you to constantly embarrass yourself don't advise others. That aside, you asked me to give you one rebuttal to Roger's original post. Which I did. I can't be held responsible if you don't understand. I was also going to add, stop always trying to have the last word too. It makes you look a bit childish 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 12 hours ago, Uhtred said: And here is the final paragraph of that journalistic tour de force: It had promised a complete rebuttal of Dr Glover's claims, including a timeline of events, but that hasn't been published publicily any yet. Well, when it is published publicly any yet, I’ll be interestedly interested any yet in what it sayingly says publicly published, that’s for sure...any yet. Haha. They've corrected the ninth-rate spelling, but the published publicly remains to sing to the mountains the glory of Manx journalism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 To be fair, it's not a birching offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, Barlow said: To be fair, it's not a birching offence. It should be. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 16 minutes ago, Gladys said: It should be. No it shouldn’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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