Spat between Chief Minister and Dr Glover

[rachomics]

2 hours ago, Happier diner said:

Ill agree with one thing you have said Definitely "not just the lack of genomics"

If a person gets off the boat full of infection, then spends the day and evening visiting busy coffee shops, hair salons and bars. Infecting folks merrily all morning day and evening. How the hell would genomic testing 5 days later (at least) helped? As I said before horse long gone and damage done. 

It would have told them that all those people were infected in the same location and linked back to the index patient, five days after they showed symptoms and tested positive with the Liverpool lab's turnaround. Clearly this is 1000% more useful if you know it <24hours after the positive result. Linking cases to each other, genomically or through contact tracing, shortens lockdowns. Genomics links cases that contact tracing has failed to do (unfortunately people lie, especially so when the penalty might be a holiday in Jurby).

If I had all the Isle of Man COVID genomic sequences in my hands, right now, I could tell the IoM Government within 2-3 hours whether the March outbreak was entirely caused by the Steam Packet index case or was a combination of Steam Packet index case and continued transmission from the January outbreak. Do you think that's something that should be determined? I do. 

Edited May 22, 2021 by rachomics

[Pipsqueak]

yes, but fat howie won't want to know if it was just SP staff that fucked us up.

[The Voice of Reason]

42 minutes ago, Pipsqueak said:

yes, but fat howie won't want to know if it was just SP staff that fucked us up.

fat howie?

[Uhtred]

1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said:

fat howie?

You’re quite right to query that. Shocking failure to capitalise a proper name. It should of course be fat Howie.

[display name]

2 hours ago, rachomics said:

 Clearly this is 1000% more useful if you know it

10 times more useful than being 100% certain of knowing something?   That's either a superfluous amount of percentage going to waste,or is evidence a self proclaimed super being is amongst us who has no knowledge of basic mathematics but has perhaps been bestowed with an extra 100 digits with which to count. 

[The Voice of Reason]

39 minutes ago, Uhtred said:

You’re quite right to query that. Shocking failure to capitalise a proper name. It should of course be fat Howie.

Yes how amusing

[Happier diner]

3 hours ago, rachomics said:

It would have told them that all those people were infected in the same location and linked back to the index patient, five days after they showed symptoms and tested positive with the Liverpool lab's turnaround. Clearly this is 1000% more useful if you know it <24hours after the positive result. Linking cases to each other, genomically or through contact tracing, shortens lockdowns. Genomics links cases that contact tracing has failed to do (unfortunately people lie, especially so when the penalty might be a holiday in Jurby).

If I had all the Isle of Man COVID genomic sequences in my hands, right now, I could tell the IoM Government within 2-3 hours whether the March outbreak was entirely caused by the Steam Packet index case or was a combination of Steam Packet index case and continued transmission from the January outbreak. Do you think that's something that should be determined? I do. 

But the infected person didn't present for test for 4 days after visiting the high risk locations. I wasnt inferring that it would take you 5 days to get the results.

Does that make sense?

I believe the person from the spco became ill a few days after leaving the boat.

If they presented and tested same day I would understand  the theory.

[Boris Johnson]

13 hours ago, Uhtred said:

You’re quite right to query that. Shocking failure to capitalise a proper name. It should of course be fat Howie.

Should it not be in fact Fat Howie? as it is his title around these parts?

[Annoymouse]

13 hours ago, Happier diner said:

But the infected person didn't present for test for 4 days after visiting the high risk locations. I wasnt inferring that it would take you 5 days to get the results.

Does that make sense?

I believe the person from the spco became ill a few days after leaving the boat.

If they presented and tested same day I would understand  the theory.

 At the time the original positive case was identified they didn’t know the original source of infection, it wasn’t determined if it was linked to the original case or if it was a separate case entirely, genomics would’ve told us that it was (probably quicker than contact tracing did) and that would’ve helped with the containment.

[Uhtred]

2 hours ago, Boris Johnson said:

Should it not be in fact Fat Howie? as it is his title around these parts?

If that is now an acknowledged title then yes indeed, Fat Howie. If simply descriptive, then fat Howie.

[P.K.]

23 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

I can't see how you can blame Dr Glover for this.  It's quite clear from the evidence that she gave to the PAC that she tried hard to regularise various aspects of her employment by the DHSC (and remember she was still trying to 'run her business' at the same time).  And the DHSC did their usual thing of doing nothing until the last minute and then trying to impose whatever the first thing that they thought of was, without bothering to think of the consequences.  You can't come to an agreement all on your own.

I'm not blaming Dr Glover for anything.

I'm quite sure that she is a highly motivated individual who just wanted to help out. Which to me makes the "letter" absolutely appalling. Because it was obviously targetted. The why I have no idea. But then, apart from mf I don't look at any other iom online content. 

I think some of the faux outrage is a little overdone. Had I bought a bit of kit and I knew a member of my team knew how to operate it if it was urgent I would have asked them to go and work their magic. Mind you, I probably wouldn't have bought it if nobody knew how to use it....

[Happier diner]

1 hour ago, Annoymouse said:

 At the time the original positive case was identified they didn’t know the original source of infection, it wasn’t determined if it was linked to the original case or if it was a separate case entirely, genomics would’ve told us that it was (probably quicker than contact tracing did) and that would’ve helped with the containment.

I'm sorry. I still don't see how. It was already out of containment before the person tested positive.

If you re read the news the person visited numerous venues which were posted as 'high risk' after news of the positive test was released. The test result was on the Friday but the person had visited the high risk venues previous Monday to Wednesday.  Subsequent testing of persons coming forward found more positives. That tells me the person was infectious.

Now call me stupid but I genuinely can't see how genomics could help 5 days after the horse has bolted. It might help with the stewards enquiry but certainly would not help with the containment.

Unless it has some kind of time machine capability. 

[TheTeapot]

52 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

 

Now call me stupid

Sure, you're stupid.

[Ham_N_Eggs]

On 5/20/2021 at 5:32 PM, Ham_N_Eggs said:

This question is going to next week's Keys:

The answer was no he won't be producing it.

[KERED]

9 minutes ago, Ham_N_Eggs said:

The answer was no he won't be producing it.

Just listened to Ashford, in the Keys.

 

What an arrogant, smarmy conceited little tw@t!

His words, and the way in which he delivered them are in insult to Dr Glover, Julie Edge, the Keys, and the great Manx Public!

I really hope that he will be voted out, in September.